05-07-2024, 21:26
|
#76
|
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,352
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Labour got over half a million fewer votes under sir beer than they did under corbyn...
|
But received a higher percentage of those who actually voted - 33.8% vs 32.1%
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
|
|
|
05-07-2024, 21:56
|
#77
|
The Dark Satanic Mills
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: floating in the ether
Posts: 12,159
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
But received a higher percentage of those who actually voted - 33.8% vs 32.1%
|
Massive. Mind blowing.
__________________
The wheel's still turning but the hamsters dead.
|
|
|
05-07-2024, 23:58
|
#78
|
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,301
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Not a massive point of interest but still noteworthy.
Starmer has appointed two non-MPs to the cabinet. Sir Patrick Valance of COVID fame is the Science Minister. Fair enough.
But probably bigger news. James Timpson of Timpson - the key cutters company - has been made Prisons Minister!
Both are being appointed to the Lords to be able to do this.
I quite like this decision. Timpson recruits out of prisons quite a bit and I saw an interview with him on Channel 4 a few months ago where he had an excellent understanding of it.
Putting people who understand the topic as Ministers makes sense to me. For balance, I said the same about making Cameron Foreign Secretary.
We should make the cabinet more qualified like the Americans do rather than try to find someone from the 99% of MPs who are humanities graduates to be the Minister for Science or whatever.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 00:08
|
#79
|
Bah Humbug!!
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Glasgow
Age: 43
Services: Sky Q 2Tb, Sky Q mini, boxsets and Sports & Movies HD, Sky Fibre unlimited
Posts: 13,969
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Well as Timpson specialise in keys he should make a good Prisions minister
__________________
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 | 32GB DDR5 6000 | RADEON 7900XT | WD 2TB NVME
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 00:11
|
#80
|
Architect of Ideas
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,644
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien
Not a massive point of interest but still noteworthy.
Starmer has appointed two non-MPs to the cabinet. Sir Patrick Valance of COVID fame is the Science Minister. Fair enough.
But probably bigger news. James Timpson of Timpson - the key cutters company - has been made Prisons Minister!
Both are being appointed to the Lords to be able to do this.
I quite like this decision. Timpson recruits out of prisons quite a bit and I saw an interview with him on Channel 4 a few months ago where he had an excellent understanding of it.
Putting people who understand the topic as Ministers makes sense to me. For balance, I said the same about making Cameron Foreign Secretary.
We should make the cabinet more qualified like the Americans do rather than try to find someone from the 99% of MPs who are humanities graduates to be the Minister for Science or whatever.
|
I’m not necessarily against the concept however there could be better ways of Governments getting expertise into the decision making process without elevating more people to the Lords.
A risk, in an unscrupulous era, would be giving these “experts” political accountability at the same time sets them up as fall guys. Or worse, “expert” advice gets designed to curry favour with a ruling party.
In Scotland there’s a tendency towards “expert groups” or “advisory groups” of publicly funded third sector orgs representing “lived experience”. A cynic may, occasionally, view this as a shield for political parties to dodge political accountability.
If Lords get appointed to junior positions they subsequently resign from due to incompetence or error (as opposed to personal scandal) the buck should really stop with the corresponding Secretary of State.
In a sense I have less opposition to Cameron as foreign secretary, as a clear and unambiguous political operative. If we oppose Ministers being in the Lords we shouldn’t have a House of Lords.
Note - “Experts” follows my hypothetical dive into an unscrupulous era. Not a judgement on the expertise of either Vallance or Timpson.
Last edited by jfman; 06-07-2024 at 00:18.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 02:01
|
#81
|
Dr Pepper Addict
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Nottingham
Age: 61
Services: Flextel SIP : Sky Mobile : Sky Q TV : VM BB (1000 Mbps) : Aquiss FTTP (900 Mbps)
Posts: 27,980
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
The turnout was low, the lowest since 2001.
Was it apathy ? The need for ID ? or something else ?
__________________
Baby, I was born this way.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 02:06
|
#82
|
Dr Pepper Addict
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Nottingham
Age: 61
Services: Flextel SIP : Sky Mobile : Sky Q TV : VM BB (1000 Mbps) : Aquiss FTTP (900 Mbps)
Posts: 27,980
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
This picture shows how bad it went for the blue party this election.
__________________
Baby, I was born this way.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 02:25
|
#83
|
Architect of Ideas
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,644
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
I think there were dynamics in both 2019 (Get Brexit Done) and 2024 (a Reform surge) that make the numbers look more dramatic than changes within the population as a whole. I think that the Labour victory - telegraphed since forever in opinion polls - slumped in the polls slightly on the day. Maybe the Conservatives scare tactics worked a bit (1% or 2%).
Ultimately I don't think the Labour Party - the people or manifesto - sell the vision for the UK that people will ultimately want. It'll do for now. Far larger numbers backed the Labour Party in 2017 and 2019, despite a major campaign against the then leader.
There was some good stuff in there - ultimately the plan for Labour was to eliminate it in policy and people. Sure, they won. What do the unhappy people do next?
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 04:14
|
#84
|
cf.mega pornstar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,869
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
But received a higher percentage of those who actually voted - 33.8% vs 32.1%
|
Oh, that's okay then...
Has anyone noticed the state of the country under labour?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien
Not a massive point of interest but still noteworthy.
Starmer has appointed two non-MPs to the cabinet. Sir Patrick Valance of COVID fame is the Science Minister. Fair enough.
But probably bigger news. James Timpson of Timpson - the key cutters company - has been made Prisons Minister!
Both are being appointed to the Lords to be able to do this.
I quite like this decision. Timpson recruits out of prisons quite a bit and I saw an interview with him on Channel 4 a few months ago where he had an excellent understanding of it.
Putting people who understand the topic as Ministers makes sense to me. For balance, I said the same about making Cameron Foreign Secretary.
We should make the cabinet more qualified like the Americans do rather than try to find someone from the 99% of MPs who are humanities graduates to be the Minister for Science or whatever.
|
Timpson are great for reforming prisoners and I've never understood how an mp proves themselves completely unsuitable for one ministerial role can be appropriate for another based on nothing other than seemingly that past failure.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 07:53
|
#85
|
The Dark Satanic Mills
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: floating in the ether
Posts: 12,159
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien
We should make the cabinet more qualified like the Americans do rather than try to find someone from the 99% of MPs who are humanities graduates to be the Minister for Science or whatever.
|
I agree on that, we have a Business secretary that wouldn’t know how to run a bath, let alone a business.
__________________
The wheel's still turning but the hamsters dead.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 09:52
|
#86
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,487
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
I was impressed by Starmer's speech outside No. 10. So different from the past Tory PM's, a breath of fresh air.
---------- Post added at 09:52 ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
Depends - Reform will have to reform its rules and practices to be (or seen to be) democratic in how it’s run and candidate selection; at the moment, it’s Farage’s personal fiefdom, but you can’t run a (British) mainstream political party that way. If more people get a say in how it’s run and what its policies should be, it may not be as effective.
|
Agreed but the key move will be the planned merger with the right wing Tories, at which point they will transition into a more conventional structure.
__________________
Unifi Express + BT Whole Home WiFi | VM 1Gbps
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 10:30
|
#87
|
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 37,159
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
This picture shows how bad it went for the blue party this election.
|
It also shows that the puke-yellow team god a good shoeing north of the border - far worse even than it looks, given the enormous size of those rural highland constituencies. With one seat to declare and the Nat already conceding he’s lost, the SNP finishes on 9 seats. The talk now is whether the party might be in serious financial difficulty. It was already having cash-flow issues and now it’s lost about £0.75m per annum of parliamentary funding.
/infighting intensifies
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 12:04
|
#88
|
Woke and proud !
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a wife
Posts: 9,274
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
The last piece of that map can be coloured in now.
Quote:
The Liberal Democrats have won in Inverness, Skye and West Ross-shire after two recounts in the constituency.
Angus MacDonald of the Scottish Liberal Democrats won the seat from the SNP’s Drew Hendry, taking the Lib Dems’ total number of seats won to 72.
|
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 12:05
|
#89
|
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,352
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
From today’s Reformagraph…
<cough> None of the last 4 Tory Prime Ministers lasted one term…<cough>
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
|
|
|
06-07-2024, 12:39
|
#90
|
Woke and proud !
Join Date: Jun 2004
Services: TV, Phone, BB, a wife
Posts: 9,274
|
Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
From today’s Reformagraph…
<cough> None of the last 4 Tory Prime Ministers lasted one term…<cough>
|
Nobody takes Cammy seriously since her toe licking 'Whisper it quietly, Rishis making a comeback' fantasy/article....
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 20:39.
|