UK BLM leader shot in head.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Double the number of white people are killed by the police, but white people make up five times more of the population - which means, per capita, black people are killed at two and a half time’s the rate of white people by the US police…

Also, fatal police shootings of unarmed Black people in US is more than 3 times as high as in Whites

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom...-as-in-whites/

One complication with any figures seems to be that Hispanic and Latino are classed as White when doing White vs Black comparisons.
Which group is more likely to be killed, as it is mostly by their own group, then they are proportionately more likely to kill somebody. Which group is more likely to carry and use a gun? Which group is more likely to shoot Police officers? Which group is more likely to resist arrest and have to be restrained? Which group is more likely to be unarmed but acting in a way suggesting they are armed(ie reaching somewhere). Which group is more likely to be unarmed, but standing near somebody else who is armed and shooting at people?

Which is more likely to bite a person, a Pitbull or a Labrador? As a consequence of that, which of the 2 are you more going to be wary and nervous around?


Link 2019
3,299 white victims of which 566 were killed by Blacks and 738 by Hispanic/Latino. As I pointed out, Hispanic/Latino victims are included in the 3,299 victims.
2,906 Black victims of which 2,574 were killed by Blacks and at least(the unknown column) 95 by Hispanic/Latino. In fact a Black person is more likely to be killed by a woman than by a white person.

Originally Posted by nomadking

One complication with any figures seems to be that Hispanic and Latino are classed as White when doing White vs Black comparisons.
Which group is more likely to be killed, as it is mostly by their own group, then they are proportionately more likely to kill somebody. Which group is more likely to carry and use a gun? Which group is more likely to shoot Police officers? Which group is more likely to resist arrest and have to be restrained? Which group is more likely to be unarmed but acting in a way suggesting they are armed(ie reaching somewhere). Which group is more likely to be unarmed, but standing near somebody else who is armed and shooting at people?

Which is more likely to bite a person, a Pitbull or a Labrador? As a consequence of that, which of the 2 are you more going to be wary and nervous around?


Link 2019
3,299 white victims of which 566 were killed by Blacks and 738 by Hispanic/Latino. As I pointed out, Hispanic/Latino victims are included in the 3,299 victims.
2,906 Black victims of which 2,574 were killed by Blacks and at least(the unknown column) 95 by Hispanic/Latino. In fact a Black person is more likely to be killed by a woman than by a white person.

Yeh, about that dog thing*...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7166296.html

The family favourite labrador is responsible for the highest number of canine attack personal injury claims, according to research by pet insurers Animal Friends.

How about unarmed Blacks being shot at three times the rate of unarmed whites - is that because Hispanics are included in the shooting of Blacks in that statistic**?

You appear to be stating that Hispanics aren’t White?

Which group is more likely to be unarmed but acting in a way suggesting they are armed(ie reaching somewhere)

I'm surprised you haven't be shot by a US Policeman, with that reaching...

*perfect example of an unconscious prejudice...

**no, they're not...

[Carth]

I'd like to add to that excellent post Seph . . .

Which group are more likely to use the terms 'Racist & Racism' in order to try and get an arrest/conviction overturned?

[Mad Max]

Seems like a right dodgy party to me.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Double the number of white people are killed by the police, but white people make up five times more of the population - which means, per capita, black people are killed at two and a half time’s the rate of white people by the US police…

I know that, I acknowledged that in my post. I also acknowledged that just looking at the bare statistics also doesn’t tell the story.

As with everything there is nuance and stats=this therefore police=racist is simplistic and doesn’t help the blacks in the US or the police

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yeh, about that dog thing*...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7166296.html

How about unarmed Blacks being shot at three times the rate of unarmed whites - is that because Hispanics are included in the shooting of Blacks in that statistic**?

I'm surprised you haven't be shot by a US Policeman, with that reaching...

*perfect example of an unconscious prejudice...

**no, they're not...

In the UK, BSL bans the ownership of four different types of dogs traditionally bred for fighting: pit bull terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero. Breed Specific Legislation was introduced 26 years ago as part of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 to restrict the ownership of certain types of dogs deemed to be dangerous to people.

Research has found that in general you can't raise dogs to be friendly. You have to follow a process of only allowing the least aggressive of any set of pups to breed further. Eventually that leads to most, if not all, of any litter being less aggressive. That is how dogs were domesticated.

In the real world, which would most people prefer to have running towards them? Pit bull or Labrador?

If people wearing red shirts are more likely to carry and use guns, especially on Police, then stands to reason that more people who wear red shirts are likely to be shot, IF they resist arrest. If a little old Black lady reaches somewhere that could have a gun, they are less likely to be shot than a young White man who is known to be violent. Who would you be more wary of? All the stats prove that Black people are more likely to be violent than White people. Even Black people are least safe, when surrounded by other Black people. Labour MP, Diane Abbott sent her son to public school to get him away from all the dangerous Black kids in her area.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yeh, about that dog thing*...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7166296.html

Yeah, about that “Dog thing”

You cite an article in the independent, which states

The family favourite labrador is responsible for the highest number of canine attack personal injury claims, according to research by pet insurers Animal Friends

They cite Animal Friends as the only source of data for this claim, But when you click on the link to the report

https://www.animalfriends.co.uk/blog...lic-liability/

It clearly states.

The dog breed that was revealed to be the most responsible for attacks on delivery workers was German Shepherds, followed by Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Border Collies and Labradors.

It Clearly states German Sherpherds.

So it seems you blindly trusted a report in a tabloid without checking the source material. Not the skills I expect from a self proclaimed researcher

Let's stick to the topic which isn't dogs.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Double the number of white people are killed by the police, but white people make up five times more of the population - which means, per capita, black people are killed at two and a half time’s the rate of white people by the US police

LOL, there is nothing like bending statistics to match what you want eh.
Perhaps three times as many black people are involved in crimes, so the rate "per crime" is lower.

I'm sure more bending and 'per this'/'per that' could be rolled out.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics - still as true as ever.

[TheDaddy]

I hear Diane Abbott has weighed into the situation and as usual is wrong, according to her the woman was shot for standing up to racism, yes shot by black people for being anti racist, why this utter excuse of a politician is given air time is beyond me

[Carth]

Because she fits the current criteria (ticks all the boxes required) to be a mouthpiece for anything and everything. . . and she went to Uni too, as did many stupid and ignorant people in professions where this is mandatory

[Hom3r]

It takes a lot to offend me, but BLM does.

To me, I see Black Lives Matter, White Lives Don't.

I say All Lives Matter, but these days being a white male in my early 50s I am now being discriminated because of that.

Why the FA is allowing a political statement like taking the knee is allowed, especially when they tried to say the Poppy was political.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I know that, I acknowledged that in my post. I also acknowledged that just looking at the bare statistics also doesn’t tell the story.

As with everything there is nuance and stats=this therefore police=racist is simplistic and doesn’t help the blacks in the US or the police

Strangely, that "nuance" wasn't mentioned when you quoted the number of Blacks killed by Blacks...

But conveniently ignore that epidemic of black on black violence and deaths that far surpass any other violence against black people. A black person in the US and most likely in the UK too, is far more likely to be killed by another black person than a white person or the police.

(I don't have a link, but it's a well know fact, a quick Google will back up any of that)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

It takes a lot to offend me, but BLM does.

To me, I see Black Lives Matter, White Lives Don't.

I say All Lives Matter, but these days being a white male in my early 50s I am now being discriminated because of that.

Why the FA is allowing a political statement like taking the knee is allowed, especially when they tried to say the Poppy was political.

In what way are you being discriminated against? Are you being charged more? Are you getting worse seats?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Strangely, that "nuance" wasn't mentioned when you quoted the number of Blacks killed by Blacks...

I didn't quote any numbers, spotted any dodgy German Shepherds recently?