No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
15-06-2023, 18:40
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No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
Hi,
I've just got a great package upgrade with Virgin, but while checking the contract details a day after the sales call, I noticed the mention of the Virgin TV 360 box. This was never mentioned on the call, but I did say that I don't pay a TV license, nor do I want to as I only watch Netflix.
I phoned Virgin today to have the TV part removed from the package, but its actually more expensive to not have the TV package.
The question I'm asking today is,
Can I never unbox this Virgin TV 360 box, and continue to have it included in the package, and still continue to not pay the TV license?
Thanks in advance,
Ben
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15-06-2023, 18:46
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Just a Geek
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
Yes
If they knock just say no thank you and close the door.
No evidence means no warrant. If VM inform them and they get a warrant let them in but say nothing just show them a box. If they do persist just say you pay so you can use the on demand on your phone
You only need a TV licence if you watch live TV or use iplayer
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15-06-2023, 18:57
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
Yes
If they knock just say no thank you and close the door.
No evidence means no warrant. If VM inform them and they get a warrant let them in but say nothing just show them a box. If they do persist just say you pay so you can use the on demand on your phone
You only need a TV licence if you watch live TV or use iplayer
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Thank you, that sounds good to me. I also wasn't aware of the on-demand app, I'll definitely be giving that a look
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15-06-2023, 19:43
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
However, the Virgin Media Ts&Cs require you to have a TV licence if you take their TV service. You are getting the benefit in price of your contract so should abide by your contract and pay for a TV licence.
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15-06-2023, 19:49
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin
However, the Virgin Media Ts&Cs require you to have a TV licence if you take their TV service. You are getting the benefit in price of your contract so should abide by your contract and pay for a TV licence.
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Narc hahaha
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15-06-2023, 20:19
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by RobboEdin
However, the Virgin Media Ts&Cs require you to have a TV licence if you take their TV service. You are getting the benefit in price of your contract so should abide by your contract and pay for a TV licence.
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Indeed. They've got a good deal and, for the sake of about £3 a week I'd pay it to prevent any hassle from Virgin or TV Licencing and to be able to freely obtain the benefit of what I'm paying for.
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16-06-2023, 02:35
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss
Yes
If they knock just say no thank you and close the door.
No evidence means no warrant. If VM inform them and they get a warrant let them in but say nothing just show them a box. If they do persist just say you pay so you can use the on demand on your phone
You only need a TV licence if you watch live TV or use iplayer
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Or have any equipment capable of recording live TV, which would include the TV 360 box.
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16-06-2023, 02:49
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
Its not capable if its unplugged, still in a box.
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16-06-2023, 02:56
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Its not capable if its unplugged, still in a box.
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Although not much use for watching Netflix either in that state. 
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16-06-2023, 03:14
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
You dont need it to watch Netflix, and the OP obviously doesnt either, since they were not expecting it.
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16-06-2023, 06:01
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by Paul
You dont need it to watch Netflix, and the OP obviously doesnt either, since they were not expecting it.
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The OP did state that they were leaving the TV 360 in the box but Jaymoss advised that "You only need a TV licence if you watch live TV or use iplayer. The OP then suggested "Thank you, that sounds good to me". To which I commented "Or have any equipment capable of recording live TV, which would include the TV 360 box".
I think it is pretty obvious that the box would have to ba connected. I seriously doubt that Capita's enforcement teams will insist on unboxing stored equipment. I could ask them if you like. 
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16-06-2023, 09:24
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by epsilon
Or have any equipment capable of recording live TV, which would include the TV 360 box.
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That is totally incorrect
You have to watch or record live TV not just own property that can facilitate it or it would include a PC a Laptop and mobile a tablet ect
If they raided you and it was plugged in of course they could argue you use it
This is the OPs question
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The question I'm asking today is,
Can I never unbox this Virgin TV 360 box, and continue to have it included in the package, and still continue to not pay the TV license?
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My reply was to his question
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Yes
If they knock just say no thank you and close the door.
No evidence means no warrant. If VM inform them and they get a warrant let them in but say nothing just show them a box. If they do persist just say you pay so you can use the on demand on your phone
You only need a TV licence if you watch live TV or use iplayer
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as you can see my reply to that question is 100% correct as I state show them the box referring to the unboxed equipment the OP mentioned in his question. I also mentioned On Demand on his phone at no point did I advise anything about plugging the box in did ?
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16-06-2023, 10:06
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
Another example of how VM's pricing structure is bonkers. No TV? That'll cost you more...
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16-06-2023, 10:22
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Another example of how VM's pricing structure is bonkers. No TV? That'll cost you more...
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Yeah they can't force a landline down ya throat now so they have to try something else
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16-06-2023, 13:37
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Re: No TV license, but cheaper to include TV package
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Originally Posted by BenDude89
Hi,
I've just got a great package upgrade with Virgin, but while checking the contract details a day after the sales call, I noticed the mention of the Virgin TV 360 box. This was never mentioned on the call, but I did say that I don't pay a TV license, nor do I want to as I only watch Netflix.
I phoned Virgin today to have the TV part removed from the package, but its actually more expensive to not have the TV package.
The question I'm asking today is,
Can I never unbox this Virgin TV 360 box, and continue to have it included in the package, and still continue to not pay the TV license?
Thanks in advance,
Ben
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You'll only get caught if you let yourself get caught, they can not enter your property without a warrant unless you let them in and a warrant is extremly rare.
There is no such thing as a tv detector van.
They can not ask your internet provider for your details as you've not been convicted and they can't convict you unless you allow them inside your property or slip up by dropping yourself in it.
Never ever sign anything if they ask.
However if you are watching or recording live tv or watching/ downloading things on iplayer. then pay the licence fee as you should do.
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