Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

What if the Durham Police issue the fine because it forces Johnson’s hand, Keir is just collateral damage?

Bojo won't resign, he's paid the fine and apologised to parliament and the people, it was starmer who weaponised a slice of cake to make political gain.
But now starmer is trying to influence the police by releasing this statement.

Originally Posted by Mick

What if the Durham Police issue the fine because it forces Johnson’s hand, Keir is just collateral damage?

It could go either way with this. The statement could be argued to make it less likely they issue the fine because they don't want to be seen to take down the LOTO or more likely because they don't want to have let that influence the decision. And so on.

As with the Met Police these people aren't thick. They know the consequences. I think the level of attention this case is getting makes it more likely rather than less IMO. After all, as with the Met Police and No 10, this case wouldn't have been taken if those accused were ordinary people.

[Sephiroth]

As leader of the opposition, he is paid by the state for his office. Not much less than the PM. Of course he must resign if there is a fine. And 30 people not in his bubble in a closed room is a violation of the law at the time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As leader of the opposition, he is paid by the state for his office. Not much less than the PM. Of course he must resign if there is a fine. And 30 people not in his bubble in a closed room is a violation of the law at the time.

Absolutely agree that he should resign if there is a fine. Credit to Rayner for saying she will do this too, Sunak could learn from her in this respect.

Two points on your other comments:

• Everyone seems to take as gospel there were 30 people attending who all had several beers and a curry for £200. These two figures don't reconcile.
• You were allowed to work together in the same room then and in fact you could even go out for a working meal for 30 people back in Autum 2020
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Absolutely agree that he should resign if there is a fine. Credit to Rayner for saying she will do this too, Sunak could learn from her in this respect.

Two points on your other comments:

• Everyone seems to take as gospel there were 30 people attending who all had several beers and a curry for £200. These two figures don't reconcile.
• You were allowed to work together in the same room then and in fact you could even go out for a working meal for 30 people back in Autum 2020
  https://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaur...486484ec2675be

Some people could have shared one single potion of Indian food, some portions can be that large, they may have got a discount, you can’t really measure people there to a £200 curry bill.

Your last point is wrong. Mixing in doors, sharing of food, at the time of Starmers curry & piss up event, wasn’t allowed.

Didn't it change to 15 people?

Originally Posted by Damien

Didn't it change to 15 people?

It probably did, problem is the accounts of it have changed so many times.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As leader of the opposition, he is paid by the state for his office. Not much less than the PM. Of course he must resign if there is a fine. And 30 people not in his bubble in a closed room is a violation of the law at the time.

The only reason Sir Kier should resign is because he went on and on at the Prime Minister to do so just for being investigated by the police! Guilty before the evidence was even tested!

A fine for a breach of the lockdown rules is nothing. If it was an offence carrying a prison sentence, that would be different.

Yes, some people are indeed upset because they may have lost loved ones during the pandemic, and that's understandable, but associating the party allegations with their cicumstances is grossly over-egging the pot. The rules were on place to protect them and they would have been in place no matter what was going on at no 10.

People have become very picky in recent years and its time that we started debating the real problems we face in this country and the rest of the world. This self-righteous nonsense needs to cease. We nesd to get a collective grip.

[Julian]

He has been very crafty in tying his resignation to a fine being issued. Durham police don't do retrospective fines as Cummings found out.
Starmer will be found guilty and not fined. He has been asked repeatedly whether he would resign under these circumstances and has refused to answer.

He is some piece of work that's for sure.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

People have become very picky in recent years and its time that we started debating the real problems we face in this country and the rest of the world. This self-righteous nonsense needs to cease. We nesd to get a collective grip.

Genuinely interested to know, where on the scale of law breaking do you feel being picky stops and real concern should begin? Are you suggesting that every law when broken that results in punishments below your bar should be repealed? Quite a strange stance from someone who seems staunchly behind the party that prides themselves as the party of law and order don't you think?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

But now starmer is trying to influence the police by releasing this statement.

100%, make the media work for you.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's the sensible thing to do.

To influence a police investigation, yes it is.

Originally Posted by Mick

It probably did, problem is the accounts of it have changed so many times.

I read in The Times it was 15 people. This works out at £13 a person which makes more sense.

[ianch99]

So the people who made the rules and told dying people their loved ones could not visit them at their death beds did this, while those people were dying. 15 parties in total. Some with Karaoke machines, swing breaking, official photographers and suitcases of booze:



Yes, just as bad as a constituency office curry ...

[Julian]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes, just as bad as a constituency office curry ...

Bless.......

Originally Posted by ianch99

So the people who made the rules and told dying people their loved ones could not visit them at their death beds did this, while those people were dying. 15 parties in total. Some with Karaoke machines, swing breaking, official photographers and suitcases of booze:

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Yes, just as bad as a constituency office curry ...

It was a planned piss up and curry night.

I don’t think anyone has said here Boris isn’t still in political jeopardy, but surely even you can’t surmise that the amount of lying from Labour is just as bad as the Tory party lying here?