Online Safety Bill

[RichardCoulter]

I didn't mean for every post, I meant for those identified as neuro diverse who has previously made innapropriate comments.

This would satisfy both the Online Safety Act & the Equality Act.

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Originally Posted by Itshim

All I see are snowflakes. If "you" don't react then they will get fed up.Or you could just not read them.

Try telling this to the families of people that have self harmed or killed themselves (including children) because of online bullying, harrassment, trolling etc.

[jfman]

How does one differentiate someone self identifying as neurodiverse from someone who is just an asshole?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

How does one differentiate someone self identifying as neurodiverse from someone who is just an asshole?

Just a brilliant answer, Mike drop. If I had any idea how post giffs on here, it would Be the Leonardo hand clap one.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Ok and who trains and pays the moderators for their time. ?

The profit hungry websites. To be fair, more moderators have been taken on by the likes of Facebook etc.

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Originally Posted by jfman

How does one differentiate someone self identifying as neurodiverse from someone who is just an asshole?

Those who are found to have already been diagnosed or subsequently found to be neuro diverse would be able to provide proof from medical professionals as a defence should they find themselves in trouble for making inappropriate posts.

Action of some sort would still be needed to prevent them continuing to do this.

No two brains work the same, so technically everyone is "neurodiverse".

Seems like just another "buzzword" used by people to excuse them being an asshole.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Paul

No two brains work the same, so technically everyone is "neurodiverse".

Seems like just another "buzzword" used by people to excuse them being an asshole.

Like so many other words , titles , and so called problems that snowflakes have today they really need to get a grip.

[peanut]

Well I suppose if you make too many inappropriate comments regardless of being neurodiverse or not, you'd get warnings first probably and then mostly likely end up being banned from such site(s). Or would that kind of action be discriminate towards such people?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

No two brains work the same, so technically everyone is "neurodiverse".

Seems like just another "buzzword" used by people to excuse them being an asshole.

It's group think, no one is allowed to be an individual anymore. You must be allocated into a group and then subset of that group.

Then we can work out which group is the oppressor and which group is the oppressed.

The oppressed can then claim victimhood and, ironically, status.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The profit hungry websites. To be fair, more moderators have been taken on by the likes of Facebook etc.

Those who are found to have already been diagnosed or subsequently found to be neuro diverse would be able to provide proof from medical professionals as a defence should they find themselves in trouble for making inappropriate posts.

Action of some sort would still be needed to prevent them continuing to do this.

And is Paul meant to review all of the medical evidence provided for this site? Or pay someone? Is there a right to appeal for site administrators (who to? And at what cost?).

Totally unworkable. A data protection nightmare too.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

No two brains work the same, so technically everyone is "neurodiverse".

Seems like just another "buzzword" used by people to excuse them being an asshole.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...neurodivergent

Neurodiversity is a word used to explain the unique ways people's brains work. While everyone's brain develops similarly, no two brains function just alike. Being neurodivergent means having a brain that works differently from the average or “neurotypical” person.2 Jun 2022

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Originally Posted by Itshim

Like so many other words , titles , and so called problems that snowflakes have today they really need to get a grip.

I can't believe that you actually think that people that are born on the autistic spectrum, that people involved in an accident that injures their brain, people that have had a stroke, people that develop dementia just need to get a grip because
they are 'snowflakes'?

For goodness sake, think about what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by peanut

Well I suppose if you make too many inappropriate comments regardless of being neurodiverse or not, you'd get warnings first probably and then mostly likely end up being banned from such site(s). Or would that kind of action be discriminate towards such people?

Website owners have to comply with the Online Safety Act and the Equality Act. They cannot be accused of disability discrimination if they have not been made aware that a person is disabled, so it's in a everybodys interest for any issues to be made known to then in order for adjustments'etc to be made to take account of their disability.

Perhaps a question regarding this could be asked at the sign up stage??

If what they have posted becomes a legal matter (and they have chosen or been unable to notify the website by the very nature of their cindition) it may not transpire that they are neurodiverse until late in the day if this is to be used as a defence.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...neurodivergent

Neurodiversity is a word used to explain the unique ways people's brains work. While everyone's brain develops similarly, no two brains function just alike. Being neurodivergent means having a brain that works differently from the average or “neurotypical” person.2 Jun 2022

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I can't believe that you actually think that people that are born on the autistic spectrum, that people involved in an accident that injures their brain, people that have had a stroke, people that develop dementia just need to get a grip because
they are 'snowflakes'?

For goodness sake, think about what you're saying.

That's not what he was saying at all.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by jfman

And is Paul meant to review all of the medical evidence provided for this site? Or pay someone? Is there a right to appeal for site administrators (who to? And at what cost?).

Totally unworkable. A data protection nightmare too.

How website owners manage their affairs is down to them, but for their own sake it would be advisable for them to satisfy themselves that they are being compliant with the law as the penalties for not doing so can ultimately lead to imprisonment. I guess that this is why Facebook have taken on more moderators.

@peanut Sorry, I omitted to say that one of the problems has been that websites weren't taking down inappropriate posts in a timely manner or (frequently) at all.

At one point facebook sacked a load of moderators, I assume to increase their profits. Now that the owners could face sanctions for not running their business in a fit & proper manner, more moderators have been taken on.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

That's not what he was saying at all.

I hope not. What do you think itshim meant when he said what he said? Ironically, because of my own cognitive issues, I can sometimes misunderstand things.

[peanut]

So you can be a pain in the backside and there's nothing anyone can do about it?? If you get banned you can take action and claim discrimination is that right?

What if you have to declare at sign up (never going to happen), and then you get refused, what rights do site owners have?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by peanut

So you can be a pain in the backside and there's nothing anyone can do about it?? If you get banned you can take action and claim discrimination is that right?

What if you have to declare at sign up (never going to happen), and then you get refused, what rights do site owners have?

Assuming you're referring to a neuro diverse person it all depends on a variety of factors. To correct you, although some disabled people may appear to be being a deliberate PITA, this is not the case for the individual themselves.

For example, people with dementia may ask a question, receive an answer and go on to ask the very same question 30 times more. This isn't being done to be annoying (even if it comes across as being so), nor is it being done on purpose, it's because their brain is dying and not functioning correctly as it does so.

Those who work in dementia care homes understand & accept this as part of the condition.

Refusal to supply goods & services based on an individuals protected status would be unlawful. If refusal is based on any other reason then it may not be.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Assuming you're referring to a neuro diverse person it all depends on a variety of factors. To correct you, although some disabled people may appear to be being a deliberate PITA, this is not the case for the individual themselves.

For example, people with dementia may ask a question, receive an answer and go on to ask the very same question 30 times more. This isn't being done to be annoying (even if it comes across as being so), nor is it being done on purpose, it's because their brain is dying and not functioning correctly as it does so.

Those who work in dementia care homes understand & accept this as part of the condition.

Refusal to supply goods & services based on an individuals protected status would be unlawful. If refusal is based on any other reason then it may not be.

It's also true of relatives and people that live with dementia everyday.