The boat people

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Your argument, Ian, is founded on there not being sufficient leagal routes to the UK.

I'll certainly grant your point #2 - but it would still take some time for determination of claims made in France.

If the UK had taken up that offer, would it have stopped the boat people? I suspect not. They can be across the channel on a boat in a couple of hours rather than a couple of months.

The whole point here is that the boat people do not need to come to the UK.

My argument is founded on 3 of the points.

What you seem to be saying is that the UK should not accept asylum seekers at all which is unacceptable for a G7 nation.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by ianch99

My argument is founded on 3 of the points.

What you seem to be saying is that the UK should not accept asylum seekers at all which is unacceptable for a G7 nation.

It's okay, we won't be one of them soon

[Sephiroth]

The summer season has started. We can watch the goings on at https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/cha...ssings-tracker

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The summer season has started. We can watch the goings on at https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/cha...ssings-tracker

You can also watch NHS staff going in the other direction.

Working out well this 'independent' UK, Nigel and Boris' promises were lies. A poorer country, with spiralling inflation and lower standards of living. This is what will deter the boat people in the end.

Originally Posted by Mr K

This is what will deter the boat people in the end.

So the plan is working then ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

So the plan is working then ?

Omg, wonder if they'll have the bare faced cheek to try and claim that's why they've run the country into the ground and made us all much poorer, to stop the boat people, bozo would if he was still in charge, not sure the prime miniature has enough about him to try it

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Mr K

You can also watch NHS staff going in the other direction.

Working out well this 'independent' UK, Nigel and Boris' promises were lies. A poorer country, with spiralling inflation and lower standards of living. This is what will deter the boat people in the end.

Brilliant....

[1andrew1]

Interesting attack by Labour.

Starmer claims government has 'lost control' of overall migration numbers

Yesterday the Financial Times reported that migration figures due out later this month are expected to show net migration at record levels. It said net migration was at 504,000 between June 2021 and June 2022, but that the figure for 2022 could pass 700,000.

Today the Telegraph reports that the figure could reach almost one million.

Asked about the reports, Keir Starmer told broadcasters the government had “lost control” of immigration.

I think we need to wait and see what those figures are, but I’ve seen that speculation. I think if we’re anywhere near that figure then it will show the government has completely lost control. We need a managed approach and we haven’t got that.

Like almost everything else under this government, there’s no plan, there’s no control and, just like everything else, it seems like the system is broken.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...089152205da0d0

[Sephiroth]

Starmer now needs to support the government's immigration bill and minimise his hypocrisy.

[jfman]

40,000 is small beer whether it’s half a million or 700k. Even smaller beer at 1 mil.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Starmer now needs to support the government's immigration bill and minimise his hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is "taking back control" then not allowing appropriate scrutiny of proposed new Bills.

Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 underwent detailed scrutiny in 24 committee sittings

Immigration Act 2014 had 11 committee sittings and received 66 pieces of written evidence

Immigration Act 2016 had 15 committee sessions and received 55 written pieces of evidence.

Illegal Immigration Bill - two Readings in the HoC, two days in the Committee of the Whole House, then a Third Reading in the HoC before going to the Lords (now in its Second Reading) with no opportunity for evidence taking.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Hypocrisy is "taking back control" then not allowing appropriate scrutiny of proposed new Bills.

Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 underwent detailed scrutiny in 24 committee sittings

Immigration Act 2014 had 11 committee sittings and received 66 pieces of written evidence

Immigration Act 2016 had 15 committee sessions and received 55 written pieces of evidence.

Illegal Immigration Bill - two Readings in the HoC, two days in the Committee of the Whole House, then a Third Reading in the HoC before going to the Lords (now in its Second Reading) with no opportunity for evidence taking.

So what? Get it done.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So what? Get it done.

”taking back control" was sold as allowing our Parliament to make our laws - they are not being allowed to take the time to scrutinise what is proposed.

Quick unsuitably scrutinised Laws are usually bad laws.

"Just Get It Done" usually means "I don’t care what the problems are, just do it", and unfortunately later down the road someone else has to sort it out.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

So what? Get it done.

Rushed law is bad law. C.f. the Dangerous Dogs Act (1991), which was rushed in a similarly Somebody Do Something fashion, and failed to achieve its stated aim (to reduce the number of serious dog attacks on people which had become a particular problem).

[Taf]

I was listening to French radio yesterday. Whilst we have "the boat people" they have the "border hoppers" coming in from Italy. And many people are really upset at this flow of "economic migrants who flout our laws".