Police to get tough on internet trolls.

The government has lost the plot (again). Their excuse is complete bollox.
Perhaps someone should point them at a dictionary, so they can look up "Private".

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Whatsapp may be closing in the UK.

The Government wants the power to be able to read private messages for child grooming, terrorism cases etc. Whatsapp say they would rather pull out of the UK market than allow this.

Is this the first early sign that you have picked up of the damage this new legislation will cause in its present form, Richard?

We all want to prevent grooming and terrorism, but this is not the way.

[Sirius]

If this comes in and it's a big if, there will always be ways around what is put in place. All it will do is create even more secure options to surf the net without snooping.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Sirius

If this comes in and it's a big if, there will always be ways around what is put in place. All it will do is create even more secure options to surf the net without snooping.

VPN and fake accounts TOR or even Tails . Highly unlikely much will be done to trace the routes as it will be too expensive I am sure.

[jfman]

I find the idea of OFCOM policing it quite laughable.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by jfman

I find the idea of OFCOM policing it quite laughable.

OFCOM could not police a pissup in a brewery never mind this. Thankfully for those of us who prefer our privacy it is simple to circumnavigate the snooping.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I find the idea of OFCOM policing it quite laughable.

Ofcom is hopeless. Their destructive measures on Project Kangaroo proved that. They are constantly catching up with, rather than getting on top of, new technology.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Ofcom is hopeless. Their destructive measures on Project Kangaroo proved that. They are constantly catching up with, rather than getting on top of, new technology.

That's what happens when for purely ideological reasons the free market get first dibs at extorting profits ahead of public good.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

VPN and fake accounts TOR or even Tails . Highly unlikely much will be done to trace the routes as it will be too expensive I am sure.

Maybe the Government will make it a criminal offence to use WhatsApp?

I doubt that most people would risk the consequences of using a proscribed platform. The remaining users are likely to be using a platform using end to end encryption for questionable purposes, so O suspect that they would go after the remaining users.

Also, money talks and Whattsapp may eventually relent when they realise how much money/market share that they will lose. At the moment I suspect it's nothinf more than verbal jousting.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

If this comes in and it's a big if, there will always be ways around what is put in place. All it will do is create even more secure options to surf the net without snooping.

Looks like they will bypass this by going in through a back door to circumvent efforts to hide what's being said;

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/e...-a9030046.html

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Maybe the Government will make it a criminal offence to use WhatsApp?

I doubt that most people would risk the consequences of using a proscribed platform. The remaining users are likely to be using a platform using end to end encryption for questionable purposes, so O suspect that they would go after the remaining users.

Also, money talks and Whattsapp may eventually relent when they realise how much money/market share that they will lose. At the moment I suspect it's nothinf more than verbal jousting.

---------- Post added at 20:25 ---------- Previous post was at 20:18 ----------



Looks like they will bypass this by going in through a back door to circumvent efforts to hide what's being said;

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/e...-a9030046.html

simple question for you Richard

Do you think that the Government even if they had a back door can check every single message sent just on WhatsApp in a day ?.

Then add-in every other encrypted message service and i think you will find it's a big fat no. Also look at how many people are now using VPN's and it becomes impossible to check every single message.

It is simple to setup a WhatsApp account via a burner phone. There are also other options that i am not going to post here but they work just as well.

It was your posts on here about this subject that made me to decide to use a VPN, It was your posts on here about this subject that made me use other methods to block my traffic from snooping. So well done in ensuring my internet usage is secure and nontrackable

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Maybe the Government will make it a criminal offence to use WhatsApp?

I doubt that most people would risk the consequences of using a proscribed platform. The remaining users are likely to be using a platform using end to end encryption for questionable purposes, so O suspect that they would go after the remaining users.

Also, money talks and Whattsapp may eventually relent when they realise how much money/market share that they will lose. At the moment I suspect it's nothinf more than verbal jousting.

---------- Post added at 20:25 ---------- Previous post was at 20:18 ----------



Looks like they will bypass this by going in through a back door to circumvent efforts to hide what's being said;

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/e...-a9030046.html

Does not matter if el gov can see private messages if tracing the device is not simple. Only the foolish who do not hide their butts will get caught

Burner phone not connected to you and just sit in Maccys and use their free wifi or any number of hotspots

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Sirius

simple question for you Richard

Do you think that the Government even if they had a back door can check every single message sent just on WhatsApp in a day ?.

Then add-in every other encrypted message service and i think you will find it's a big fat no. Also look at how many people are now using VPN's and it becomes impossible to check every single message.

It is simple to setup a WhatsApp account via a burner phone. There are also other options that i am not going to post here but they work just as well.

It was your post on here about this subject that made me to decide to use a VPN, It was your post on here about this subject that made me use other methods to block my traffic from snooping. So well done in ensuring my internet usage is secure and nontrackable

I suspect that they will use AI to check the majority of them, with human intervention when something of importance is flagged up.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Does not matter if el gov can see private messages if tracing the device is not simple. Only the foolish who do not hide their butts will get caught

Burner phone not connected to you and just sit in Maccys and use their free wifi or any number of hotspots

Exactly

It is so easy to use free wifi in fact it is so easy to use other peoples wifi even if it is password protected.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Does not matter if el gov can see private messages if tracing the device is not simple. Only the foolish who do not hide their butts will get caught

Burner phone not connected to you and just sit in Maccys and use their free wifi or any number of hotspots

Even if they can't identify the people talking at the time, it would be useful to scupper plans being made to bomb a particular place at a particular time.