The Chronicles of Rishi

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Apart from your ridiculously large text, you're completely mad.

The right to block roads (and by corollary allow people to die in ambulances) should be severely curtailed.

In some ways, it's a pity that the law won't prescribe that people glued to walls should be left there so that they pee their pants, shit their clothes and end up with the worst of it.

It is not my "ridiculously large text", I linked to the "small" image variant on Twitter (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfaYtzVW...jpg&name=small) but for some reason vBulletin has chosen to copy the image to its local cache (https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/10/9.jpg) without the "small" parameter. Maybe Paul knows the reason ..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Good, this is an issue why?

Only not an issue when national security is not an issue.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

So, at the risk of playing the man rather than the ball … George Monbiot? Really?

I repeat my point from earlier, the proposal is to grant the Home Secretary the power to ask, not to act. A judge would decide whether the situation satisfied what is clearly quite a high legal bar in terms of the seriousness of disruption. Insinuating that people who attend a half-million march through London in 2023 face any significant prospect of getting caught in some neo-fascist dragnet any time up to 2028 is absurd.

But then his nickname isn’t Moonbat for nothing. This is the man who thinks 75 million ha.of agricultural land in continental Europe should be ‘rewilded’. Ukraine has 41m ha, and look how close some parts of the developing world are to serious food shortages this winter just because *some* of what’s grown there can’t get out.

Serious whataboutery here. BTW, I also linked to a summary video from the Liberty director also. You seem to not comment on the actual provisions of the Act which are the points in question but ramble on about a man and his rewilding ideas.

A more complete summary of the Act:

Originally Posted by ianch99

Serious whataboutery here. BTW, I also linked to a summary video from the Liberty director also. You seem to not comment on the actual provisions of the Act which are the points in question but ramble on about a man and his rewilding ideas.

Another good summary of the Act:

Moonbat’s preoccupation with rewilding is highly relevant, because it seems clear to me that the sorts of protesters the bill is aimed at - the eco loons who glue themselves to roads or chuck soup at priceless works of art - are precisely the sorts of people George is instinctively supportive of and would like to see continuing in the same vein.

All I’m hearing, in protest against this bill is self-serving demands that those who think they’ve found a means of holding society to ransom in pursuit of their political goals, should be allowed to carry on, and the rest of us should just let them get on with it, or, worse, abandon our own convictions and give in to their blackmail.

Well I’m sorry but no. If people want to bring the M25 to a halt, cause millions in lost business and prevent tens of thousands of people from going about their business, then I’m more than happy for them to spend a few weeks in jail in recompense. If nothing else, it will weed out the dilettantes who think this lunacy is an attractive way of virtue signalling to their mates.

(Edit) And references to Russia, Iran and Egypt are simply more contemptible left-wing dog whistling, and nonsensical to anyone who is actually familiar with what human rights abuses in those countries actually look like.

BREAKING: Speaker suspends Commons for an hour due to Penny Mordaunt no-show - Independent.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Speaker suspends Commons for an hour due to Penny Mordaunt no-show - Independent.

Hopefully just an admin mistake and nothing too serious.

Update: Penny met with King Charles III, as part of her remit of Lord President of the council, while she was due to answer leader of the house questions in Parliament. - Guido.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

Yeah, why?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cerns-MI5.html

What were the findings of this “probe”?

Originally Posted by Pierre

What were the findings of this “probe”?

From the article

The Mail understands that the investigation ultimately found no 'conclusive evidence' of who the leaker was. A Whitehall source said: 'They did not find conclusive evidence of who the leaker was. There was a wide field of potential leakers.' The source added: 'If there had been solid knowledge of who was responsible, the matter wouldn't have been left to rest there.'

Last night, a Cabinet Office spokesman: 'We do not comment on alleged leak investigations.'

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

(Edit) And references to Russia, Iran and Egypt are simply more contemptible left-wing dog whistling, and nonsensical to anyone who is actually familiar with what human rights abuses in those countries actually look like.

Nice to see you are still over-indulging in the soup of British exceptionalism rather than addressing the points actually made by ianch99.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Nice to see you are still over-indulging in the soup of British exceptionalism rather than addressing the points actually made by ianch99.

John, ian is off on one. He ignores the need for such a law and focuses only on the comparison with Russia. Totally ridiculous.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

Moonbat’s preoccupation with rewilding is highly relevant, because it seems clear to me that the sorts of protesters the bill is aimed at - the eco loons who glue themselves to roads or chuck soup at priceless works of art - are precisely the sorts of people George is instinctively supportive of and would like to see continuing in the same vein.

All I’m hearing, in protest against this bill is self-serving demands that those who think they’ve found a means of holding society to ransom in pursuit of their political goals, should be allowed to carry on, and the rest of us should just let them get on with it, or, worse, abandon our own convictions and give in to their blackmail.

Well I’m sorry but no. If people want to bring the M25 to a halt, cause millions in lost business and prevent tens of thousands of people from going about their business, then I’m more than happy for them to spend a few weeks in jail in recompense. If nothing else, it will weed out the dilettantes who think this lunacy is an attractive way of virtue signalling to their mates.

(Edit) And references to Russia, Iran and Egypt are simply more contemptible left-wing dog whistling, and nonsensical to anyone who is actually familiar with what human rights abuses in those countries actually look like.

A prime example of self centred right wing rationalising to justify erosion of our civil liberties and a classic use of the "lunatics holding society to ransom" trope to justify draconian changes in the law. You seem to be content to let this Government take away our freedoms but I am not.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

John, ian is off on one. He ignores the need for such a law and focuses only on the comparison with Russia. Totally ridiculous.

Don't be patronising, I am making a serious point here.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

John, ian is off on one. He ignores the need for such a law and focuses only on the comparison with Russia. Totally ridiculous.

He probably is off on one, but there’s been no demonstration of a need for such a law or that the proposals are in any way proportionate.

At a literal reading it has the potential to outlaw protest and removes rights under the Human Rights Act for peaceful assembly and association among people who haven’t actually committed any offences at all.

Over decades and centuries the history of this country is littered with protests. In no way, shape or form can anyone claim that disruption now meaningfully disrupts people’s lives any more than at any point in history.

It’s a lazy right wing trope to claim that they do. But when your economic policies (not you personally) are shot to pieces I suppose that’s all they have left.

I really cant be bothered to read through pages of more arguments, so someone please tell me - What exactly has all this got to do with the topic (Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister) ?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

A prime example of self centred right wing rationalising to justify erosion of our civil liberties and a classic use of the "lunatics holding society to ransom" trope to justify draconian changes in the law. You seem to be content to let this Government take away our freedoms but I am not.

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Don't be patronising, I am making a serious point here.

I’m not being patronising. I am criticising your paranoia.