Coronavirus

Originally Posted by Pierre

They can’t help themselves can they!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...r-60s-12261200

The strangest thing is that this particular rare type of clot is a known side effect of the contraceptive pill. And almost all of the cases reported in Germany are among women of middle age or younger. Which makes me wonder what’s making them think the vaccine is the more likely explanation.

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Breaking. CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky: “Our data from the CDC today suggest that vaccinated people do not carry the virus.”

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

The strangest thing is that this particular rare type of clot is a known side effect of the contraceptive pill. And almost all of the cases reported in Germany are among women of middle age or younger. Which makes me wonder what’s making them think the vaccine is the more likely explanation.

It’s all madness. Pierre’s sister is a full on Covid conspiracy nut job. You can’t choose your family.

She sent me a link to a dodgy YouTube channel. U.K. column news. That was quoting MHRA stats on the COVID vaccine. They mis-report the MHRA data of issues of people that have been vaccinated, to issues caused by the vaccine - the two are very separate. One particular issue was in regards to guillain - Barre syndrome. A syndrome where the immune system attacks the nervous system. According to MHRA data there had been 36 cases and one death. They were attributing this as a side affect of the vaccine.

Whereas in the general population 1-2 people per 100,000 would acquire this syndrome naturally. In a vaccine roll out of 20million you would expect 100-200 cases of this anyway.

This is where it has got ridiculous. Now I can accept mis-information from from dodgy YouTube channels, but from government it is unacceptable.

Millions have been vaccinated, we are beyond 3weeks (which seems to be the threshold, I don’t know why ) for millions of vaccinations. There is no data I know of that tips illnesses in the vaccinated above the general population.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sorry ... is your source for '$8 shipping included' Jfman, or an actual authoritative online, linkable resource?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...=1617140796812

A source.

Originally Posted by jfman

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...=1617140796812

A source.

I don’t see any discussion about delivery costs there, though it might be implicit in the statement from AZ in the final paragraph. In part, it says: “The price of the vaccine will differ due to number of factors, including the cost of manufacturing which varies dependent on the geographic region, and the volumes requested by the countries.”

[Mr K]

The mood seems to he shifting on the AZN vaccine, even in the Union Jack waving Torygraph.

No one should panic, but we need to brace ourselves for a difficult week or two as regards the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

On Tuesday, Germany became the latest in a growing list of countries, including Canada and France, to suspend use of the vaccine in younger age groups. In Germany the cut off is 60, while in Canada and France only those age 55 and above are now receiving the jab.

Unfortunately, the issue is no longer political and is unlikely to be batted away as such.

Germany's medical regulator announced on Tuesday it had received a total of 31 reports of rare blood clots in recent recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Nine died and all but two of the cases involved women aged 20 to 63, the Paul Ehrlich Institute said.

The issue involving blood clots associated with thrombocytopenia, a low blood platelet count, is the same one which caused many EU countries to temporarily halt the use of the jab earlier this month.

Based on the data available at the time, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) concluded there was not enough evidence to establish a link between the problem and the vaccine, and recommended it continue to be used. The benefits of inoculation greatly outweighed the risks for all age groups, it stressed.

The problem now is that more data is flowing in.

On Tuesday, a team of European researchers published a not-yet-peer-reviewed preprint which looked at nine patients in Germany and Austria who developed thrombocytopenia and clots following vaccination.

“The AZD1222 vaccine is associated with development of a prothrombotic disorder that clinically resembles heparin-induced thrombocytopenia but which shows a different serological profile”, they said.

Not surprisingly, regulators in the UK, Europe and North America are now all racing to better understand if an association between the jab and the condition really exists and, if so, at what rate it occurs.

It is this second part of the puzzle which will prove crucial as all medicines carry some risk. The real question is whether or not the benefits will continue to outweigh the risks.

"The argument I keep hearing is that the risk-benefit ratio is still positive. But we do not have just one vaccine, we have several”, Sandra Ciesek, a virologist at Goethe University, Frankfur told Science magazine this week. “So, restricting the AstraZeneca vaccine to older people makes sense to me, and it does not waste any doses.”

That is essentially the call Germany, France and Canada have made this week but it may not be as easy for the UK which is more reliant on the AstraZenica jab, for the moment at least.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...no-need-panic/

[Pierre]

So first it was only the over 60’s that could have it, now it is only the under 60’s that can have it. Got it.

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So 31 cases for a condition that affects between 5-10 people per 100,000 of population.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseas...ombocytopenia/

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

Sorry ... is your source for '$8 shipping included' Jfman, or an actual authoritative online, linkable resource?

I provided a link for my $7+$3 shipping. Although the actual cost might've changed by the time of the final agreement. The link Jfman used, doesn't mention Uganda.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So first it was only the over 60’s that could have it, now it is only the under 60’s that can have it. Got it.

---------- Post added at 08:17 ---------- Previous post was at 08:09 ----------

So 31 cases for a condition that affects between 5-10 people per 100,000 of population.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseas...ombocytopenia/

But if they don't have the stocks of the vaccine due to cock up on the ordering front. what is the point of this latest debacle.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So first it was only the over 60’s that could have it, now it is only the under 60’s that can have it. Got it.

---------- Post added at 08:17 ---------- Previous post was at 08:09 ----------

So 31 cases for a condition that affects between 5-10 people per 100,000 of population.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseas...ombocytopenia/

Obviously that 31 is higher on a per 100,000 of population basis for the vaccinated cohort than would be expected to be seen over a few week period.

Remember this is the hapless EU rollout. It's probably 31 out of about 106 people vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The mood seems to he shifting on the AZN vaccine, even in the Union Jack waving Torygraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...no-need-panic/

It's certainly a more sombre tone. I doubt they've suddenly becomes experts in the field, or inclined to demonstrate a reasonableness to our EU friends, so I'd expect a nudge from someone in the UK to have warned them.

[Taf]

I watched the film Contagion (2011) last evening. It was almost a mirror of what we are going through.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Taf

I watched the film Contagion (2011) last evening. It was almost a mirror of what we are going through.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

I watched that and was gobsmacked at the similarity, timelines and methods of containing it, you'd think you couldn't write this but someone did to the finest detail.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Taf

I watched the film Contagion (2011) last evening. It was almost a mirror of what we are going through.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

Yes, it should have been required viewing for all pandemic planners.

Good job COVID is a relatively mild disease otherwise we could have really been in the cackaa.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, it should have been required viewing for all pandemic planners.

Good job COVID is a relatively mild disease otherwise we could have really been in the cackaa.

Chris whitty must have a copy of it, because his advice is a copy of it.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Evening Standard:

Britain could get a fourth Covid-19 vaccine within as little as four weeks, a leading expert told the Evening Standard today.

Professor Paul Heath, chief investigator for the Novavax jab trial in the UK, said that if approved by regulators it would help keep up the “momentum” in the nation’s world-leading vaccine roll-out.

“The regulator will do a very detailed and thorough review and will decide in good time,” he said. “I would hope it would be in the spring, possibly end of April.”

Professor Heath, a consultant in paediatric infectious diseases at St George’s Hospital in Tooting, believes the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, which has been using a fast-track “rolling review” process, now has nearly all the data it needs to make an approval decision.

Ministers have ordered 60 million doses of the Novavax vaccine. Trials have found it to be 86 per cent effective against the Kent variant of Covid-19 and 96 per cent against the Wuhan strain.

It will be manufactured at the Fujifilm plant in Billingham in the North-East.

Good news for the UK's vaccine roll out.

No doubt the EU apparatchiks are getting ready to bad mouth this as well.