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Old 07-03-2022, 17:51   #766
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

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TBH, those terms don't seem too onerous.
I think the "Ceasing all military action" is the trickiest one. What does this mean? The rest could presumably be overturned in future referendums.
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Old 07-03-2022, 17:52   #767
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TBH, those terms don't seem too onerous.
Are you joking?

So Ukraine just let’s Putin think he’s won, Putin can’t be seen to lose and he’s lost this war, sure he’s got a massive nuclear arsenal but that’s no good to him, when it involves Armageddon. So he’s now got to save face and he has to walk away with some kind of win to stay in power.
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TBH, those terms don't seem too onerous.
I wouldn't accept them.
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Old 07-03-2022, 18:23   #769
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I wouldn't accept them.
I don't think Ukraine will either. Perhaps a counter would be to allow Russia to lease the Crimea naval base.
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I don’t think it was a coincidence that U.S Secretary of State, Antony Blinken was in Moldova yesterday. Last week they, along with Georgia, officially applied to join the EU. Like Ukraine, there are pro-Russian factions in these countries, but the countries application to join the EU, gives a clear message to Putin, where their political allegiances align.

Any ex-Soviet State is a Putin target right now. But Moscow is failing in its main objectives in Ukraine, its losing the information war. You only have to look at the blackout of outside news getting in to Russia. Facebook and Twitter completely censored, if Russia was meant to be winning this, it’d be glad to show the worlds news in Russia, right now, that’s not happening because Russia is being frustrated at the fierce Ukraine resistance and its embarrassed.

For all intent and purposes, the West, NATO may not physically get involved in this. But every west spy agency has their hand in this helping Ukraine, advising them, and they’re winning by defeating Russian logistics, destroying their fuel tank vehicles with just Molotov cocktails. Russia is also losing experienced savvy fighter pilots, think I’ve seen 45 planes have been shot down since start of invasion.

Russian morale is very low. Their soldiers (conscripts) surrendering relatively easily, there is footage of them crying for their mothers. The Russians are poorly equipped, vs high Ukrainian fighters morale, using high tech military gear given to them from us and other European nations and the U.S, their soldiers fighting on home soil, with a population behind them. As long as we can keep supplying them with resources, they got this.

Putin has to now know this invasion was a grave error and his presidency is now in endgame. Yeah, who cares he’s been spitting feathers and coming out with all kinds of vitriol about sanctions are akin to declaration of war.

The risk is and some are saying, Putin could still well order a nuclear strike in Ukraine, albeit a smaller scale one, this would then ultimately initiate a massive world wide condemnation, probably forcing rest of us in to war, can any of us realistically see us still standing by while a murderous madman is dropping nukes over Ukraine?

We also need to keep an eye on what Russia is doing with the Ukrainian seized nuclear plant.
Really interesting, thanks. I guess key to the next few days/weeks is the number of assets Ukraine have still in play and the weaponry they can employ. The ingress & distribution of current tech handheld anti-air & armour will really be a key factor.
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So, the goal of Russia starting a war in Ukraine was to stop any war starting in Ukraine…

Sounds legit and trustworthy…
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So, the goal of Russia starting a war in Ukraine was to stop any war starting in Ukraine…

Sounds legit and trustworthy…
Careful Hugh, any sign you disbelieve them and it’s 15 years in their prisons if you were to spin their story any other way.
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine

So how's the info war going?

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While Russian President Vladimir Putin is raining bombs on Ukrainian cities, his top propagandists are most concerned about getting bombarded with text messages, and losing the information war to Ukraine.

On Thursday’s episode of The Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, state TV propagandist Vladimir Soloviev complained that he and editor-in-chief of RT Margarita Simonyan are being terrorized by unknown individuals, receiving endless calls and texts about Russia’s military activities in Ukraine. He griped: “Margarita and I can show our telephones to demonstrate that we’re getting a thousand calls and texts per hour.”...

...Popular state TV pundit Karen Shakhnazarov conceded on Friday that, “It seems to me that we’re losing the information war. Our info-operation wasn’t thoroughly prepared, unlike the Ukrainian side—and whoever is standing behind them.” He, too, complained about getting trolled with strange phone calls. “By the way, I got a call from Zelensky. Well, at least it was his voice on my phone. Either a recording or somebody impersonating him. Other people are getting those too,” he said. “They’re well prepared, with hundreds of thousands or millions of templates for things that are being disseminated.”

Appearing on Soloviev’s show on Thursday, Alexander Khinshtein, head of the State Duma’s information committee, said, “This is a blatant, overt information war that is being waged for hearts and minds, to make people not only abroad, but within Russia to believe in these horrors and to experience fear, panic and hatred, to start a psychological war over here.” He went on to describe “unprecedented” cyber attacks against Russia’s “infrastructure and its government websites,” claiming that they are “two to three times more impactful than any prior cyberattacks Russia experienced.”
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Germany rejects proposed European embargo on Russian oil imports.

Scholz said he's “preferring to focus on ‘sustainable’ pressure on Moscow that would not impose too heavy a burden on Germans.” - Kyiv Independent.
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Germany rejects proposed European embargo on Russian oil imports.

Scholz said he's “preferring to focus on ‘sustainable’ pressure on Moscow that would not impose too heavy a burden on Germans.” - Kyiv Independent.
A retired US Treasury Secretary on PM this evening described an oil embargo as the “last bullet” for use if all else fails, because it would be difficult and it would take time to arrange in any way remotely sustainable. But he believed it had to remain on the table because in the long run this is a fight Putin simply can’t be allowed to win.
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A retired US Treasury Secretary on PM this evening described an oil embargo as the “last bullet” for use if all else fails, because it would be difficult and it would take time to arrange in any way remotely sustainable. But he believed it had to remain on the table because in the long run this is a fight Putin simply can’t be allowed to win.
FT reported yesterday that US was speaking to Venezuela about it supplying oil to the US in place of Russia. Venezuela is facing sanctions from the US so isn't supplying oil at present.
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BREAKING: JUST IN: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will give a “historic address” to MPs on Tuesday evening by video link - Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle.

---------- Post added at 19:02 ---------- Previous post was at 18:53 ----------

From the official Russian Embassy in UK, Twitter account: Ambassador #Kelin: posted in last 30 minutes: “The Embassy is currently operating in a hostile environment. This has an impact on the logistics and the security of the diplomatic mission. We are receiving threats.”

---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 19:02 ----------

Third round of Ukraine-Russia talks ends with no results.

The parties agreed to change the logistics of humanitarian corridors, according to Mykhailo Podoliak, advisor to Zelensky’s administration. However, “there are no results that will significantly improve the situation.” - Kyiv Independent.
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From the official Russian Embassy in UK, Twitter account: Ambassador #Kelin: posted in last 30 minutes: “The Embassy is currently operating in a hostile environment. This has an impact on the logistics and the security of the diplomatic mission. We are receiving threats.”
World's smallest violin plays. Imagine having to operate in a hostile environment!

They should feel ashamed every waking minute of their lives and I hope their dreams are horrid.



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Are you joking?

So Ukraine just let’s Putin think he’s won, Putin can’t be seen to lose and he’s lost this war, sure he’s got a massive nuclear arsenal but that’s no good to him, when it involves Armageddon. So he’s now got to save face and he has to walk away with some kind of win to stay in power.
Exactly, he is trying to find a way out. He can't be allowed to have this invasion pay off with more land and force a sovereign state to adopt his foreign policy. It's up to Ukraine who they ally with.

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