Russia has invaded Ukraine

[pip08456]

Ukraine's Prosecutor General says Pilot & Major Krasnoyartsev, whose RuAF Su-34 was shot down in March, will face trial for war crimes. He bombed Syria in 2015-17 & 2020 (~200 sorties). His last action: killing a civilian who spotted him after he ejected.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Civillian casualites will be far higher due to Russia targeting civillian area and the number of areas they control and those numbers not being available. Do those casualty numbers include those women raped by Russian forces in liberated areas? I think not.

It is estimated that over 2m were raped in Germany during the Russian assault in WW2. Are they casualties?

If you think Russia thinks the civilised norms of the west are the same you are very much mistaken. There is still a west-east divide purely due to history.

They try to say that the rapes were in someway revenge for atrocities committed in Russia, I disagree with that statement as it made the war last longer and prolonged the suffering but I can understand that statement at least, where it falls down is they also raped concentration camp victims and even female Soviet pows to, any woman that falls into Russian army hands is in danger of being raped, repeatedly

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They try to say that the rapes were in someway revenge for atrocities committed in Russia, I disagree with that statement as it made the war last longer and prolonged the suffering but I can understand that statement at least, where it falls down is they also raped concentration camp victims and even female Soviet pows to, any woman that falls into Russian army hands is in danger of being raped, repeatedly

I agree with you entirely, it is the "norm" for them. As I said western civilisation and eastern civilisation norms are entirely different. To understand why you have to delve deep into the history of the people.

What we see and accept as civilised behaviour and what Russia and other eastern states view is are totally different because their history is different to ours.

It is history which shapes the concept of civilisiation. Different history, different concept.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

Seems like Ukainian forces are doing exactly what they need to do. Disrupt logistical supply lines and hold out in Mariupol to tie down a section of the Russian forces.

I'm inclined to think that the forces in Mariupol knew or accepted it was a possible suicide mission purely to tie up Russian forces. They've now been doing it for more than weeks.

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Good, the sooner they give Vlad a bloody nose the better.

On that note, this morning another Russian oil depot has accidentally caught fire.

https://twitter.com/bbcstever/status...IDdT6wOh34ygnQ

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Chris

On that note, this morning another Russian oil depot has accidentally caught fire.

https://twitter.com/bbcstever/status...IDdT6wOh34ygnQ

Shame

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Chris

On that note, this morning another Russian oil depot has accidentally caught fire.

https://twitter.com/bbcstever/status...IDdT6wOh34ygnQ

Really, those Russians really need to updtae thier safety protocls.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

They try to say that the rapes were in someway revenge for atrocities committed in Russia, I disagree with that statement as it made the war last longer and prolonged the suffering but I can understand that statement at least, where it falls down is they also raped concentration camp victims and even female Soviet pows to, any woman that falls into Russian army hands is in danger of being raped, repeatedly

I disagree with rapes full stop. Raping an innocent person (man, woman or child) in response to the same thing being done to the opposing side is ludicrous.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I disagree with rapes full stop. Raping an innocent person (man, woman or child) in response to the same thing being done to the opposing side is ludicrous.

The world accepted that excuse, in much the same way they accepted the ethnic cleansing of Germans from areas of Europe post war that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of women and children and to be clear just because someone understands something doesn't mean the agree with it.

NEW: German opposition party Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union has suggested a resolution to immediately intensify weapons supplies to Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the German government, led by Chancellor Olaf Scholz, has blocked the supplies of heavy weapons to Ukraine. - Kyiv Independent

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I disagree with rapes full stop. Raping an innocent person (man, woman or child) in response to the same thing being done to the opposing side is ludicrous.

You can disagree with whatever you want it won't change anything. Our "norms" and their "norms" are worlds apart.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You can disagree with whatever you want it won't change anything. Our "norms" and their "norms" are worlds apart.

but, but ... but ... welcoming diversity and all that stuff . .

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by pip08456

You can disagree with whatever you want it won't change anything. Our "norms" and their "norms" are worlds apart.

This is true.

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Originally Posted by Carth

but, but ... but ... welcoming diversity and all that stuff . .

What are you talking about? What has diversity got to do with the rape of men, women or children?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This is true.

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What are you talking about? What has diversity got to do with the rape of men, women or children? :confused:

well . . I presumed (probably wrongly) that the great minds of the world want us all to be friends with each other, accept the differences between cultures and religions, and all live happily ever after in a unicorn filled utopia . . . forgive me for thinking that a few bad apples is all it takes to burn the orchard