Coronavirus

Originally Posted by ianch99

You are missing the parts where:

- the infected (unvaccinated) individuals can mix with others, significantly the vulnerable ones, and pass on an infection that could cause serious illness or death.
- the unvaccinated use up the small amount of spare capacity in the healthcare system causing knock on issues relating to NHS staff stress & burnout plus collateral bed-blocking damage

Nope I’m not because…Guess what?

So can the vaccinated!

Vaccination does not stop transmission.

Once vulnerable are vaccinated, they’re no longer vulnerable.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

People have actively decided to generate a two tier society by refusing vaccination.

I kind of get your point that it isn't my problem if people choose not to get vaccinated. However, that would only really stand if the unvaccinated who got sick were not a drain on the healthcare system.

So should fat people, people who smoke and generally couch potatoes also have their freedoms curtailed because they’re also a drain on the system?

Coercing is wrong, you liberals should know bloody better. Because taking away freedoms, is illiberal and a shameful and fascist disgrace!

Go move to North Korea, you’d love it there.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope I’m not because…Guess what?

So can the vaccinated!

Vaccination does not stop transmission.

Once vulnerable are vaccinated, they’re no longer vulnerable.

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So should fat people, people who smoke and generally couch potatoes also have their freedoms curtailed because they’re also a drain on the system?

Coercing is wrong, you liberals should know bloody better. Because taking away freedoms, is illiberal and a shameful and fascist disgrace!

Go move to North Korea, you’d love it there.

None of us are free Mick each and every one of us have our freedoms curtailed every single day. Pretty much our whole life is dictated to us by the system. Anyone who thinks they are truly free they are sadly mistaken

Our parents tell us what to do when we are kids, we have to have some sort of education for at least 12 years and then we are expected to work for 50 years on the off chance we get to do more of what we want when we are to old to enjoy it fully. All this to survive in a capitalistic society where on top of all the rest we are encouraged to acquire material wealth some of which ruins our lives instead of making them better

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope I’m not because…Guess what?

So can the vaccinated!

Vaccination does not stop transmission.

Once vulnerable are vaccinated, they’re no longer vulnerable

Not true. The immunocompromised can have less protection from being vaccinated. They are still vulnerable.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not true. The immunocompromised can have less protection from being vaccinated. They are still vulnerable.

This !!! As has been stated multiple by the scientists

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not true. The immunocompromised can have less protection from being vaccinated. They are still vulnerable.

We were not narrowing the spectrum of vulnerabilities to folk with just Immunodeficiency.

They could catch flu tomorrow off someone and die, do we start the blame game because someone had the flu?

Or tomorrow they could be run over by a bus, do we then stop all buses being used?

Cannot put life on hold or curtail freedoms because people have the right to choose not to have a medical procedure, it's illiberal and immoral.

Love North Korea much?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

This !!! As has been stated multiple by the scientists

It is irrelevant to this discussion on the merit that a vaccinated person, you or I, could catch Covid within days and still pass it on and on to the vulnerable.

Just because you are vaccinated and someone else isn't, why should YOU have your freedoms maintained when you were the one who passed on and carried on the transmission of Covid-19?

Vaccination does not stop transmission and there is no getting around this fact, whatsoever.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

We were not narrowing the spectrum of vulnerabilities to folk with just Immunodeficiency.

They could catch flu tomorrow off someone and die, do we start the blame game because someone had the flu?

Or tomorrow they could be run over by a bus, do we then stop all buses being used?

Cannot put life on hold or curtail freedoms because people have the right to choose not to have a medical procedure, it's illiberal and immoral.

Love North Korea much?

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It is irrelevant to this discussion on the merit that a vaccinated person, you or I, could catch Covid within days and still pass it on and on to the vulnerable.

Just because you are vaccinated and someone else isn't, why should YOU have your freedoms maintained when you were the one who passed on and carried on the transmission of Covid-19?

Vaccination does not stop transmission and there is no getting around this fact, whatsoever.

No one said it does stop transmission completely however it does reduce it apparently one dose of AstraZeneca reduces between 40-60% (unless the government and scientists are telling porkie pies of course..) combine this with as was said above the reduced level of protection that those who are immunosuppressed or who have vulnerabilities and to me at least you have a compelling reason to get vaccinated.

It’s a balancing act, there’s no right answer in this. So I guess it comes down to are your personal rights greater than those of the whole of society. Personally I don’t think they are but that of course is just imho.

But, if we don’t agree with the way the government are doing it, we get the chance to replace them

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Paul

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

But it reduces the chances of transmission and catching the virus.

"“They absolutely do reduce transmission,” says Christopher Byron Brooke at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Vaccinated people do transmit the virus in some cases, but the data are super crystal-clear that the risk of transmission for a vaccinated individual is much, much lower than for an unvaccinated individual.”"

Taken from NewScientist certainly not Doctor Bob on youtube

https://www.newscientist.com/article...re-vaccinated/

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Paul

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

[pip08456]

[B]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

As is getting vaccinated.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

I believe the science not Doctor Bob or someone just looking for an excuse not to take precautions and/or the vaccine

Originally Posted by Paul

Vaccination does not stop transmission, nor does it even stop you catching the virus.

It simply helps your body fight the virus after you get it.

Precisely, so a vaccinated person can still spread this on and on and on but the unvaccinated have their freedoms revoked to coerce them, bully them in to submission, we even had a LBC Radio presenter, Nick Ferrari suggest people start getting fined every month until they do, wrong wrong wrong, I am appalled he even came up with it and normally he is quite a well seasoned broadcaster.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

[B]

As is getting vaccinated.

Of course, I’m not debating that. I’m arguing why people should be vaccinated. That’s all

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I believe the science not Doctor Bob or someone just looking for an excuse not to take precautions and/or the vaccine

As do I but there are those who think scientists are trying to take control of us for as yet undisclosed reasons.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Precisely, so a vaccinated person can still spread this on and on and on but the unvaccinated have their freedoms revoked to coerce them, bully them in to submission, we even had a LBC Radio presenter, Nick Ferrari suggest people start getting fined every month until they do, wrong wrong wrong, I am appalled he even came up with it and normally he is quite a well seasoned broadcaster.

Again, it can reduce the chances of transmission.

I’m not sure why you don’t accept this? Perhaps it’s because it doesn’t fit your narrative ?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

As above according to the government and the scientists it doesn’t stop but can reduce transmission.

The info is gov.co.uk

Choosing if you believe that however is entirely up to the individual

Of course, but you need to think about why.

It will reduce the chances of transmission because you body reacts to you getting the virus, and kills it off before you have chance to "transmit" it.

It does not change how transmissible a virus actually is, that would require a mutation.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Mick

Precisely, so a vaccinated person can still spread this on and on and on but the unvaccinated have their freedoms revoked to coerce them, bully them in to submission, we even had a LBC Radio presenter, Nick Ferrari suggest people start getting fined every month until they do, wrong wrong wrong, I am appalled he even came up with it and normally he is quite a well seasoned broadcaster.

not precise at all. All the evidence points to there being less chance of passing it on if you are vaccinated

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Originally Posted by Paul

Of course, but you need to think about why.

It will reduce the chances of transmission because you body reacts to you getting the virus, and kills it off before you have chance to "transmit" it.

It does not change how transmissible a virus actually is, that would require a mutation.

how does this defend not having the vaccine??? if anything it reinforces the reasons to have it