Coronavirus

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But wouldn't reduction of risk be better than the increased possibility of a sick child - suing won't help the child's health.

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1 - have to say, I've not seen anyone going around telling everyone they're vacccinated

2 - You keep posting this, but that does not make it true - being vaccinated reduces the risk of spreading COVID.

1. I meant more banging on car doors of people not wearing seat belts pointing out this fact. Like vaccinated people banging on at unvaccinated people that they aren't vaccinated.


2. Yes. It reduces it but it does not eliminate it, which is what I'm saying We are both right.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But wouldn't reduction of risk be better than the increased possibility of a sick child - suing won't help the child's health.

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1 - have to say, I've not seen anyone going around telling everyone they're vacccinated

2 - You keep posting this, but that does not make it true - being vaccinated reduces the risk of spreading COVID.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Had my Moderna booster 26th November, felt under the weather for a day, then OK.

In a thread deliberately designed to allow us to share our experiences of the vaccine programme?

This is pretty desperate even for you.

Originally Posted by nffc

1. I meant more banging on car doors of people not wearing seat belts pointing out this fact. Like vaccinated people banging on at unvaccinated people that they aren't vaccinated.


2. Yes. It reduces it but it does not eliminate it, which is what I'm saying We are both right.

You said

In the case of specifically covid, we know that even vaccinated people can spread it, so the chance of getting from an unvaccinated person exists similarly that the chance of getting it from a vaccinated person does.

There’s actually a lesser chance, not similar, of being infected by a vaccinated person.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You said

There’s actually a lesser chance, not similar, of being infected by a vaccinated person.

I said similarly. The chance exists to get covid from a vaccinated person. As it does from getting an unvaccinated person...
It doesn't mean that the chance is necessarily the same ...

Originally Posted by Hugh

But it does reduce the chance of you spreading it, or having severe symptoms/being hospitalised.

Masks do that (so everyone keeps telling us ).
So front line NHS staff are all still using them (and generally insisting patients / visitors do as well) what's the issue ? or do masks suddenly not work now ?

Originally Posted by Paul

Masks do that (so everyone keeps telling us ).
So front line NHS staff are all still using them (and generally insisting patients / visitors do as well) what's the issue ? or do masks suddenly not work now ?

I think N95 ones are pretty effective, our cloth ones much less so (much less than the vaccine).

With the NHS though I think the unvaccinated staff members take daily tests.

Originally Posted by Hugh

... being vaccinated reduces the risk of spreading COVID.

You keep posting this, but that does not make it true.

Is there evidence that vaccinations reduce the actual transmissibility of the virus ?

As I understand it, they reduce the chance of you being ill, and mean your body is better prepared to fight it off quicker, so there may be a shorter period in which you can pass it on, but I dont think they reduce you risk of passing it on while actually infected ?

Originally Posted by Paul

You keep posting this, but that does not make it true.

Is there evidence that vaccinations reduce the actual transmissibility of the virus ?

As I understand it, they reduce the chance of you being ill, and mean your body is better prepared to fight it off quicker, so there may be a shorter period in which you can pass it on, but I dont think they reduce you risk of passing it on while actually infected ?

Here is some stuff on that: https://fullfact.org/online/neil-oli...ccines-effect/

Dr Peter English, a retired consultant in communicable disease control and former editor of Vaccines in Practice, told Full Fact via the Science Media Centre: “We know that two doses of Covid-19 vaccines reduce your chances of being infected and passing the disease on to others to about 20%.

“Some would say in response to that "so it doesn't prevent onward transmission" and they'd be right that it doesn't completely prevent this; but it does reduce the chances by about 80%. So others would say "it does prevent onward transmission [by about 80%]".

However, more recent data suggests that vaccination may not hugely reduce the risk of transmitting the Delta variant within households. A study published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases in October, which measured the likelihood of catching the Delta variant from someone else in your household, found a fully vaccinated individual has a 25% chance of catching the virus from an infected household member, while an unvaccinated person has a 38% chance.

So yes although less so if you're in the same household (which i guess means prolonged exposure to the virus).

Here is some more on it: https://www.newscientist.com/article...re-vaccinated/

And obviously if you have a reduced chance of getting it then you can't spread it at all.

[Mr K]

The Foreign Secretary has just tested postive for Covid. Silly girl didn't wear a mask in Parliament today either. Let's hope she doesn't bring down half the Govt. down, actually that might improve things ....

Outbreak at my office too, so much for the muppets that went back !

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The Foreign Secretary has just tested postive for Covid. Silly girl didn't wear a mask in Parliament today either. Let's hope she doesn't bring down half the Govt. down, actually that might improve things ....

Outbreak at my office too, so much for the muppets that went back !

Zahawi tested positive as well.


And I had noticed earlier the mask wearing is now a bit more mixed, as it is generally anywhere.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The Foreign Secretary has just tested postive for Covid. Silly girl didn't wear a mask in Parliament today either. Let's hope she doesn't bring down half the Govt. down, actually that might improve things ....

Outbreak at my office too, so much for the muppets that went back !

she was facing the opposition benches, how far do droplets travel

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

she was facing the opposition benches, how far do droplets travel

2 sword lengths apart apparently, 3.96m, for obvious reasons... Be more worried if I was sat next to her, and in Bozzas little meeting afterwards which she attended with all the Tory MPs. It was after that, she decided to take a test...

I was in my house for 3 weeks with my daughter, and then wife, both getting infected - it still never made it past my body's defences.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Paul

I was in my house for 3 weeks with my daughter, and then wife, both getting infected - it still never made it past my body's defences.

We're riding that wave now - my eldest has it and the rest of us don't. Her red line came up in seconds so she must be riddled with it! Doing daily testing right now to cover options for a hospital appointment later this week. Touch wood, we will keep getting negative results...