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Old 03-01-2022, 11:50   #421
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Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
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For someone so grievously concerned by the administrative costs of the NHS may I be the first to express my surprise at your causal disregard for a Minister spending thousands from the public purse, at a venue they’ve never used before, that just to happens to be owned by Zac Goldsmith’s brother.

The most pertinent question - it it was all above board - is why the feeble excuse that it was the only venue available at short notice when it obviously was not?

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Something we’d expect in a banana republic.
... it goes on everywhere., I'm sure.
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For someone so grievously concerned by the administrative costs of the NHS may I be the first to express my surprise at your causal disregard for a Minister spending thousands from the public purse, at a venue they’ve never used before, that just to happens to be owned by Zac Goldsmith’s brother.

The most pertinent question - it it was all above board - is why the feeble excuse that it was the only venue available at short notice when it obviously was not?
She was aiming to impress a US trade minister. I’m sure we will get the money back in spades.

The NHS is a black hole.
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Re: Owen Paterson: Anger as Tory MP avoids suspension in rule shake-up
It certainly won't harm Sunak's chances of becoming next PM. People are fed up with corruption and don't want more of the same.
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Old 03-01-2022, 13:26   #424
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She was aiming to impress a US trade minister. I’m sure we will get the money back in spades.

The NHS is a black hole.
Nobody disputes that certain events merit locations of a certain stature. I’m sure the Foreign Office in particular have a list of places where Ambassadors and Ministers regularly hobnob away.

Whether the UK benefits from additional trade or otherwise is irrelevant unless it can be clearly demonstrated that only an establishment owned by a Conservative party donor would achieve that result at lowest cost to the taxpayer. It clearly cannot. Which makes it grubby.

Pin a red rosette on her in your mind and see if you still have the same opinion.

A black hole is an interesting way to describe universal healthcare.

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It certainly won't harm Sunak's chances of becoming next PM. People are fed up with corruption and don't want more of the same.
Comrade Rishi certainly seems the most likely puppet master of orchestrating Johnson’s downfall. Outside chance it could still be Gove who is missing in action.
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She was aiming to impress a US trade minister. I’m sure we will get the money back in spades.
It obviously didn't work. The EU got Trump's 25% tariffs on steel removed. We failed to.
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She was aiming to impress a US trade minister. I’m sure we will get the money back in spades.

The NHS is a black hole.
That’ll be the reason…

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The venue has also been used by the Foreign Secretary, 46, to host 'Fizz with Liz' meetings to schmooze Tory MPs and 'Biz for Liz' events with potential financial backers for a leadership bid.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-diplomat.html
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It certainly won't harm Sunak's chances of becoming next PM. People are fed up with corruption and don't want more of the same.
Well, that’s all the Left can come up with. They have no ideas of their own to capture the public imagination.

The public will put all this in context by the time they next vote in a General Election.

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A black hole is an interesting way to describe universal healthcare.
I was referring to the inefficient, creaking NHS, not universal care as a concept.
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Well, that’s all the Left can come up with. They have no ideas of their own to capture the public imagination.

The public will put all this in context by the time they next vote in a General Election.

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I was referring to the inefficient, creaking NHS, not universal care as a concept.
You keep asserting this, but never back it up with any evidence…
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Well, that’s all the Left can come up with. They have no ideas of their own to capture the public imagination.

The public will put all this in context by the time they next vote in a General Election.
I’m sure you’ll still have the blinkers on between now and then.
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You keep asserting this, but never back it up with any evidence…
There are so many examples that I’m surprised you are asking for evidence. Or maybe I have a humour deficiency today and didn’t notice it was a joke.
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There are so many examples that I’m surprised you are asking for evidence. Or maybe I have a humour deficiency today and didn’t notice it was a joke.
Just your usual evidence deficiency.
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As I said, it’s been well documented.

Here’s an example but there are plenty more you can Google. This one relates to hospitals, and it’s from The Guardian, so it must be right!

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...illions-pounds

And what about with that layer of Primary Care Trust management that the Conservatives abolished, which isn’t missed all these years later.

What other organisation is granted more money and must then take on more managers to decide how to spend it?

You couldn’t make it up!
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This one relates to hospitals, and it’s from The Guardian, so it must be right!
Hmm, anything in the last five years?
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Hmm, anything in the last five years?
It’s just one of many, Andrew; take your pick.
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It’s just one of many, Andrew; take your pick.
No.It's not on us to do your homework.You need to indicate where you are getting your information from or forever hold your peace.
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