Britain outside the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm suggesting that instead of labelling someone who wants to join a remainiac, they are called a rejoiner. I'm not suggesting everyone who voted remain is called a rejoiner as many or even most are not.

Wear that shame

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm suggesting. that instead of labelling someone who wants to join a remainiac, they are called a rejoiner. I'm not suggesting everyone who voted remain is called a rejoiner as many or even most are not.

”Remoaner” will do.

Originally Posted by Damien

A lot of Remainers would still vote to Remain if given the chance but also don't think it's worth the effort nor the toxicity it would inject back into British politics. It's actually pretty healthy that the Brexit divide has become less important as time has gone on, there was a fear British politics would split along those lines.

The actual number of people who think it is worth the effort and want to pursue is a small minority of hardcore activists who are doing it - in part - because they've carved out a niche for themselves around that identity. They're a bit weird and come out with essentially fan fiction on how it'll happen when writing on Twitter.

Got any links? I could do with a laugh …

Originally Posted by Chris

Got any links? I could do with a laugh …

I don't actually follow any of them so only see them when retweeted into my feed by people mocking them but this guy claims to live in France: https://twitter.com/archer_rs

I am not sure if it's a troll account because of the stock picture and this line in his bio:

My wife and I are to be found either in the Dordogne or on our travels.

Which seems almost too perfectly 'remainer'.

This is his latest work of pure art:

French radio saying this morning that as soon as Johnson is gone the process for the UK to rejoin the EU will begin. They say the Conservatives will blame him for everything.

..a 'middle road' Conservative will will lay all of the troubles as Johnson's door, sideline the ERG, push the "natural Party of government" line to the media and 'save Britain'. The question is who? Who could sell this to the public? Oliver Dowden was suggested.

Again either a brilliant troll or someone who has lost connection with reality but the people who follow seem to take it seriously.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't actually follow any of them so only see them when retweeted into my feed by people mocking them but this guy claims to live in France: https://twitter.com/archer_rs

I am not sure if it's a troll account because of the stock picture and this line in his bio:



Which seems almost too perfectly 'remainer'.

This is his latest work of pure art:



Again either a brilliant troll or someone who has lost connection with reality but the people who follow seem to take it seriously.

I've never taken him seriously but he is good.

Originally Posted by pip08456

I've never taken him seriously but he is good.

I can't tell. You think it's a parody account, I mean look at this line:

Dinner at friends this evening. Not sure what is on the menu but I'm taking a Château de Beaucastel
Châteauneuf-du-Pape 2019 as a gift, my wife is taking some of our fresh duck eggs.

It's almost too perfect. A reasonably expensive Châteauneuf-du-Pape but from 2019? It's too well crafted. But then he seems to spend most of the time retweeting negative news about Brexit....

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Damien

I can't tell. You think it's a parody account, I mean look at this line:




It's almost too perfect. A reasonably expensive Châteauneuf-du-Pape but from 2019? It's too well crafted. But then he seems to spend most of the time retweeting negative news about Brexit....

Oh, he's 100% remainer. Always has been. As to the rest....

[1andrew1]

Anyone would think there was an election round the corner!

Brexit: Northern Ireland minister accused of breaching international law after he orders halt to agri-food checks at ports by midnight

A row between Northern Ireland's parties, as well as the Irish government, has erupted after Edwin Poots claimed he could legally stop the checks that have been going on since 2021.

The agri-food checks at Northern Ireland's ports are required under the terms of the Northern Ireland Protocol, which is designed to avoid the introduction of a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Edwin Poots, former leader of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), said he will seek an agreement from the power-sharing government on a way forward in the near future.

He said he made the decision based on legal advice but Sinn Fein, the party the DUP shares power with, said it was unlawful and "a stunt".

The Irish government said halting checks would effectively be a breach of international law.

It is unclear whether the senior civil servant in Mr Poots' department, Anthony Harbinson, will comply with the order and it may only become clear once the first ferries arrive at ports on Thursday morning.

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-no...ports-12531285

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Anyone would think there was an election round the corner!

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-no...ports-12531285

Sets an interesting precedent that devolved governments that ignore/break international treaties, independent of Westminster. There will be considerable interest in Cardiff and Edinburgh right now I think!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Sets an interesting precedent that devolved governments that ignore/break international treaties, independent of Westminster. There will be considerable interest in Cardiff and Edinburgh right now I think!

It's all kinds of dangerous, including that potential split between civil servants and politicians.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Sets an interesting precedent that devolved governments that ignore/break international treaties, independent of Westminster. There will be considerable interest in Cardiff and Edinburgh right now I think!

Quite the opposite in Scotland I think. Remember the DUP’s endgame is to vandalise a process that it believes undermines the province’s place within the UK. In Edinburgh, the SNP is interested in looking like a nation-state government in waiting and prefers to try to look like a good international citizen. Generally this means they like showing up at international events at taxpayers’ expense even when they have no business being there. But it does also mean they prefer to paint Westminster as reckless and themselves as responsible international citizens. It’s very unlikely they would seek to do anything that could be said to breach international law.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Quite the opposite in Scotland I think. Remember the DUP’s endgame is to vandalise a process that it believes undermines the province’s place within the UK. In Edinburgh, the SNP is interested in looking like a nation-state government in waiting and prefers to try to look like a good international citizen. Generally this means they like showing up at international events at taxpayers’ expense even when they have no business being there. But it does also mean they prefer to paint Westminster as reckless and themselves as responsible international citizens. It’s very unlikely they would seek to do anything that could be said to breach international law.

Good point re not breaching international law.

I doubt the SNP are experiencing many difficulties in painting Westminster as reckless right now. Johnson, Cummings, Carrie, et al have done that for them!

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More NI developments. Looking more like "Get Brexit wrong" than "Get Brexit done"

Northern Ireland First Minister Paul Givan is preparing to announce his resignation, a senior Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) source says.

It is thought an announcement will come by the end of the week - potentially later today.

Senior DUP figures are set to meet later on Thursday to confirm the timing of Mr Givan's resignation statement, the PA news agency understands.

https://news.sky.com/story/paul-giva...esign-12531664

Unionists are playing a dangerous game here. If they keep looking like they’re the ones collapsing power sharing it will in time increase interest in different solutions to a so far intractable problem. Among those possible solutions is a border poll (that said, Northern Ireland within the Republic would inevitably continue to operate under a similar devolved, power-sharing arrangement as today).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Unionists are playing a dangerous game here. If they keep looking like they’re the ones collapsing power sharing it will in time increase interest in different solutions to a so far intractable problem. Among those possible solutions is a border poll (that said, Northern Ireland within the Republic would inevitably continue to operate under a similar devolved, power-sharing arrangement as today).

They probably chose the worst day UK-wise to announce this as GB will be focused on energy prices.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They probably chose the worst day UK-wise to announce this as GB will be focused on energy prices.

Andrew. Just for you! Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/BbXDeETm-zA