30-12-2021, 16:07
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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On what planet?
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For the hard of understanding - one of the main drivers for Brexit, according to Ashcroft’s poll, was "taking back control" of the U.K. borders, and we supposedly couldn’t do that whilst within the EU.
The French have just "taken back control" of their borders, whilst still being in the EU.
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30-12-2021, 16:19
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
The spitefulness of Macron is one good reason for not wanting to be in the EU which he will now try to dominate.
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Every country in the world is going to make decisions that favour their own citizens and country over the UK.
That's not being 'spiteful' or 'punishing' any more than our own government is when similar decisions are made here.
It's the real world affect of us being the 'sovereign country' the Brexit vote resulted in.
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30-12-2021, 17:53
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
Every country in the world is going to make decisions that favour their own citizens and country over the UK.
That's not being 'spiteful' or 'punishing' any more than our own government is when similar decisions are made here.
It's the real world affect of us being the 'sovereign country' the Brexit vote resulted in.
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Typical Remainer nonsense - Macron is being a spiteful imbecile.
Our government has not unilaterally blocked foreign citizens from traveling across the UK by road, so wtf is this "making similar decisions" rubbish on about?
Those without the EU rose tinted glasses can see plainly what is going on, France is playing political games, the childish prick, aka Macron, isn't getting his own way when it comes to fishing licenses and France has been on record for wanting to "punish" the UK for daring to leave a corrupt organisation, such as the corrupted EU.
https://fullfact.org/europe/french-p...shment-letter/
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Originally Posted by Hugh
For the hard of understanding - one of the main drivers for Brexit, according to Ashcroft’s poll, was "taking back control" of the U.K. borders, and we supposedly couldn’t do that whilst within the EU.
The French have just "taken back control" of their borders, whilst still being in the EU.
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More Remainer bollocks - see above. 
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30-12-2021, 17:54
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I’m not sure an EU member state asking the EU to act in it’s interest is an entirely unpredictable or unreasonable position to be fair. That’s the point of the EU.
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30-12-2021, 18:05
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman
That’s the point of the EU.
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Another one from the EU rose tinted glasses wearing brigade, those without can see & know it is an undemocratic and corrupt institution.
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30-12-2021, 18:11
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Mick
Another one from the EU rose tinted glasses wearing brigade, those without can see & know it is an undemocratic and corrupt institution. |
It’s not being rose tinted, Mick. It’s simply observing the reality. How I voted six years ago is irrelevant to that.
It’s a big bad capitalist world out there, with everyone out for their own interests. We wanted out - we are out. Naturally at some point our interests will conflict with that of France, Spain, Germany, etc.
They’ve signed up (to a greater or lesser extent) to look out for their collective interests to increase their own power relative to the United States, China, India, Russia, etc.
To believe the EU won’t act in it’s own interests is to be completely irrational.
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30-12-2021, 18:25
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman
It’s not being rose tinted, Mick. It’s simply observing the reality. How I voted six years ago is irrelevant to that.
It’s a big bad capitalist world out there, with everyone out for their own interests. We wanted out - we are out. Naturally at some point our interests will conflict with that of France, Spain, Germany, etc.
They’ve signed up (to a greater or lesser extent) to look out for their collective interests to increase their own power relative to the United States, China, India, Russia, etc.
To believe the EU won’t act in it’s own interests is to be completely irrational.
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Their collective interest is to punish us for ever daring to leave, that's their main goal. Britain cannot be allowed to succeed outside EU's corrupt empire because if another member country was to see Britain succeed outside the EU, this would be the end of their power hungry empire. Their aim to make an example, humiliate us at every turn so we regret our decision to leave, only, I never will.
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30-12-2021, 18:49
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Mick
Our government has not unilaterally blocked foreign citizens from traveling across the UK by road, so wtf is this "making similar decisions" rubbish on about?
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The whole immigration argument for Brexit was to allow the UK to do that if they so wished and is what the UK government can now do
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...-december-2020
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For the first time in a generation, the UK will be able to decide who comes into the country, based on the skills they have to offer - not where they are from.
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This time last year the government promised to end free movement, take back control of our borders and introduce a new points-based immigration system.
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If the UK can increase migration from a specific country like India:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...migration-deal
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In a first of its kind between the two countries, both governments have agreed enhanced mobility provisions for young professional Indian and British citizens which will allow people to live and work in the two countries for up to two years.
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Then they can decide to block migration from other countries.
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Originally Posted by Mick
Their collective interest is to punish us for ever daring to leave, that's their main goal. Britain cannot be allowed to succeed outside EU's corrupt empire because if another member country was to see Britain succeed outside the EU, this would be the end of their power hungry empire. Their aim to make an example, humiliate us at every turn so we regret our decision to leave, only, I never will.
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Their collective interest is to make their collective interest succeed at the expense of the rest of the world.
We are now part of the 'rest of the world' so there is no obligation for the EU or the countries in it to treat us in any other way, and I don't expect them to either.
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Last edited by BenMcr; 30-12-2021 at 18:37.
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30-12-2021, 18:50
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Mick
Their collective interest is to punish us for ever daring to leave, that's their main goal. Britain cannot be allowed to succeed outside EU's corrupt empire because if another member country was to see Britain succeed outside the EU, this would be the end of their power hungry empire. Their aim to make an example, humiliate us at every turn so we regret our decision to leave, only, I never will.
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I agree that it’s not in their interests for Brexit to be a success, but that’s not in and of itself unreasonable.
This very forum would be frothing at the mouth about how to make Scottish independence as difficult as possible if the people there voted for it. Unfortunately, it’s a natural part of identity politics.
There’s no fairytale ending of “fair doos, lads. All the best”.
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30-12-2021, 20:13
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Re: Britain outside the EU
"UK nationals will be allowed to travel through France if they are going to their home in an EU country during the festive period.
France suspended its Covid restriction after UK travellers faced difficulties reaching their country of residence."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59832076
Odd sort of punishment
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30-12-2021, 20:50
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Re: Britain outside the EU
I am assuming that, like the 4% GDP drop, the reaction of our friends across the channel was costed in and to be expected when the referendum was performed? If yes, why so angry, it was to be expected...
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30-12-2021, 20:56
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Ironically it was probably the EU who told them to knock this off as it probably breaks the point of Schengen. It's not up to France to police who drives into Spain for example and the point of Schengen is they can go via France.
It should be noted that this was them extending their COVID restrictions rather than a new rule for now. This (now revoked) change is a bit of a red herring because it was a massive loophole in that existing restriction which was probably causing them headaches. Those COVID restrictions are almost certainly about politics though. It doesn't make sense that Americans can visit without a compelling reason (so long as they're vaccinated) and we can't.
They should just ditch that pointless rule.
And we should ditch the isolate + Day 2 PCR to come here.
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30-12-2021, 21:33
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by BenMcr
The whole immigration argument for Brexit was to allow the UK to do that if they so wished and is what the UK government can now do
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/i...-december-2020
If the UK can increase migration from a specific country like India:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...migration-deal
Then they can decide to block migration from other countries.
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Their collective interest is to make their collective interest succeed at the expense of the rest of the world.
We are now part of the 'rest of the world' so there is no obligation for the EU or the countries in it to treat us in any other way, and I don't expect them to either. |
We’re not talking about immigration here, we’re talking about a petty country, France, blocking Brits travelling on the road trying to get home. They have since undone their idiotic and foolish political posturing, which is what this was, nothing else.
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30-12-2021, 21:40
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Just a thought but if Boris had behaved like the French have there would be loads of people screaming "embarrassing u-turn!!"
I wonder where they all are........
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30-12-2021, 21:41
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Julian
Just a thought but if Boris had behaved like the French have there would be loads of people screaming "embarrassing u-turn!!"
I wonder where they all are........
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In France?
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