Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Well who is in charge of overseeing all things digital in the government?Is it Nadine Dorries? Well if it is, good luck with getting anything sensible achieved.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Well who is in charge of overseeing all things digital in the government?Is it Nadine Dorries? Well if it is, good luck with getting anything sensible achieved.

Every time i see a government talk about the next big thing in software it becomes the next big failure.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Well who is in charge of overseeing all things digital in the government?Is it Nadine Dorries? Well if it is, good luck with getting anything sensible achieved.

I do agree, but she'll just be fronting it. I doubt she'd be capable of carrying out any initiative on her own!

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Originally Posted by Sirius

No matter how hard the Government try to appease the "offended for you" groups with technology the ordinary internet users will find a way to circumnavigate it. The more they announce about it the more people will look for ways around it. All this will do is piss people off even more.

It's not about people being offended on behalf of others, it's an attempt to protect vulnerable members of society (and others) from being hurt, taken advantage of etc.

[Carth]

It, along with other similar things, is an attempt to put everybody into a cardboard box labeled 'lab rats'

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I do agree, but she'll just be fronting it. I doubt she'd be capable of carrying out any initiative on her own!

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It's not about people being offended on behalf of others, it's an attempt to protect vulnerable members of society (and others) from being hurt, taken advantage of etc.

A one size fits all approach isn't going to work when it comes to policing the internet, much the same as one size fits all doesn't work in education.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

A one size fits all approach isn't going to work when it comes to policing the internet, much the same as one size fits all doesn't work in education.

AIUI, those who post inappropriate things on the internet will be expected to be dealt with by site owners & managers. If this isn't done correctly, or at all, it will be site owners/managers who will face the possibility of fines, imprisonment etc.

This action will be expected whether or not the offending material has been brought to their attention.

After consultation with Ofcom, I hope that, where appropriate, education, support, guidance and advice would be given to those who haven't removes material, not out of malice or personal prejudices, but because they were not able to grasp that something posted was harmful and the reasons why.

Some things will be clear cut, such as incitement to racial hatred, illegal pornography, attempts to scam people etc, but some may not have the life experience, to know the correct way, for example, to speak to a disabled person or understand the issues that they face if they have no experience of interacting with such people.

One of the constant things that I experience when asking for help (both on and offline) is for it to be refused on the grounds that 'they do not treat disabled people any differently' because 'it's the law'. When I point out that this is nonsense, (and illegal) and that treating someone equally is not the same as treating them the same and ask what training they have had of the Equality Act, the answer is often 'what's that?'!

Thankfully, most change their attitude after various things are pointed out. A minority do not, such as one of my banking providers and an NHS provider (who you really would have thought would know better) who have now had legal proceedings issued against them.

In essence, I do agree with what you say in the sense that, wherever possible, education is a better way to make change before using the heavy hand of the law. Some people may genuinely not know the harm that they are causing; this may be due to thoughtlessness or because they regard what they are doing as a bit of fun.

Government resources to help to train/educate siteowners/managers/users would be a good start.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

AIUI, those who post inappropriate things on the internet will be expected to be dealt with by site owners & managers. If this isn't done correctly, or at all, it will be site owners/managers who will face the possibility of fines, imprisonment etc.

This action will be expected whether or not the offending material has been brought to their attention.

Say goodbye to forums, chatrooms, in fact anywhere that has half a dozen people in conversation with each other.
People argue disagree about many subjects, and this leaves the door open for complaints and accusations if people feel they're not 'winning' the debate.

There are also those who will trawl the internet looking for something they can claim against, some will see it as easy money if they're helped by the system

[RichardCoulter]

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Originally Posted by Carth

Say goodbye to forums, chatrooms, in fact anywhere that has half a dozen people in conversation with each other.
People argue disagree about many subjects, and this leaves the door open for complaints and accusations if people feel they're not 'winning' the debate.

There are also those who will trawl the internet looking for something they can claim against, some will see it as easy money if they're helped by the system

It won't be anything to do with any debate per se, it will be about treating others with respect and kindness in an appropriate manner.

To aid with this, Google has launched a system that will suggest more appropriate words when non inclusive or diverse language is used. For example, 'landlord' is replaced by 'property owner', so help is available for those that struggle with using out of date terminology:

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....lusive-3667567

We'll be saying goodbye to forums, chat rooms etc anyway as the Metaverse starts to take over, but the same standards will still be expected of users.

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Organisations whose business it is to help disadvantaged people are tending to support this bill. The only criticism that i've come across is that it doesn't go far enough.

For example, the Internet Watch Foundation welcomes the ability to get inappropriate material taken down quickly and deal with any perpetrators, but believes that the Act should include provisions to prevent such material from being created on websites/apps in the first place:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0016pj8

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

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It won't be anything to do with any debate per se, it will be about treating others with respect and kindness in an appropriate manner.

To aid with this, Google has launched a system that will suggest more appropriate words when non inclusive or diverse language is used. For example, 'landlord' is replaced by 'property owner', so help is available for those that struggle with using out of date terminology:

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....lusive-3667567

We'll be saying goodbye to forums, chat rooms etc anyway as the Metaverse starts to take over, but the same standards will still be expected of users.

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Organisations whose business it is to help disadvantaged people are tending to support this bill. The only criticism that i've come across is that it doesn't go far enough.

For example, the Internet Watch Foundation welcomes the ability to get inappropriate material taken down quickly and deal with any perpetrators, but believes that the Act should include provisions to prevent such material from being created on websites/apps in the first place:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0016pj8

A barrage of assault, racism and rape jokes: my nightmare trip into the metaverse

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-the-metaverse

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It won't be anything to do with any debate per se, it will be about treating others with respect and kindness in an appropriate manner.

Which is subjective. Words are violence and all that.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Which is subjective. Words are violence and all that.

Exactly, if you're going to post something you'd better make dammed sure it can't be interpreted as something else . . . speaking from experience

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

A barrage of assault, racism and rape jokes: my nightmare trip into the metaverse

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-the-metaverse

Thanks for posting this, i'm going to watch it to learn more about the dangers of the Metaverse.

Dispatches at 8pm this evening on Channel 4 asks:

The Metaverse. Are you safe?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Dispatches at 8pm this evening on Channel 4 asks:

The Metaverse. Are you safe?

I'm sure all forum members will instead be watching Morgan interviewing Trump then.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm sure all forum members will instead be watching Morgan interviewing Trump then.

Ah yes, Talk TV opens tonight doesn't it. I shall be recording both.

[GrimUpNorth]

I watched neither.