Coronavirus

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So, what did you mean by "a final solution"?

I asked mrK to keep us informed when he works out a final solution, I don't know what that might be maybe mrK hasn't worked it out yet,but i feel sure once he has you will let him know what it is.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

From Channel 4 News, a great clip from Chris Whitty tackling the question if we are prioritising Covid over treating other conditions like cancer. Short answer no, that's an inversion of reality. Watch the video here.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1471450662630309893

I had a cancer scare the other week and I have to say that everything was fast tracked. From my experience what you posted does indeed appear to be true.

FFS, Posts Removed.
Enough of the arguing with each other, back to the subject.

[jfman]

If you believe we do Government by briefings/leaks a two week circuit breaker for England starting 28th seems to be the outcome of the Cabinet meeting.

That said the Mirror have Step 2 restrictions for 4 weeks from 27th. Maybe they’re using the whole country as a big focus group.

[Taf]

A Welsh Assembly radio announcement changed today.

Instead of:

"1 in 3 might be asymptomatic, and be spreading the virus. If you do have symptoms, take an LFT and self-isolate if it is positive"

It's now:

"1 in 3 might be asymptomatic, and be spreading the virus. If you do have symptoms, take a PCR test and self-isolate until you get the result. If it is positive, self-isolate".

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

If you believe we do Government by briefings/leaks a two week circuit breaker for England starting 28th seems to be the outcome of the Cabinet meeting.

That said the Mirror have Step 2 restrictions for 4 weeks from 27th. Maybe they’re using the whole country as a big focus group.

Regardless of which of those two options they choose (if they do choose one of those two) They have got to get financial support in for the hospitality industry. It will be damaged to the point of utter devastation

[nffc]

Originally Posted by jfman

If you believe we do Government by briefings/leaks a two week circuit breaker for England starting 28th seems to be the outcome of the Cabinet meeting.

That said the Mirror have Step 2 restrictions for 4 weeks from 27th. Maybe they’re using the whole country as a big focus group.

I've always maintained these "leaks" are unhelpful at best and cause havoc with people's MH at the worst.


The cabinet have met today, so what? It might just be a regular thing where they go through the figures, latest info from Whitty and Vallance, etc etc, who knows they might even be planning the latest pizza night, quiz, cheese and wine on the terraces outside number 10, etc etc.


Let's also not forget that even though it's a point of order it's still an important point that laws aren't made by Javid, or Boris, or the Cabinet, the next stages are actually made by Parliament, this much was actually promised by Javid when he made the announcements on Plan B to Hoyle, that any further restrictions would go before Parliament in the first instance, and MPs would need to be recalled which needs 24 hours notice


There's little chance of anything changing before Christmas and one would suggest by then that the talks of a full lockdown or "stage 2" returning would be too little too late if the current case numbers are going to overwhelm the NHS (which of course, they may or may not do). If there are gaps in this data, then you can understand why the ministers least in favour of restrictions (such as Sunak) would want to go for anything more. Thing is this is always a balancing act as with a lot of things by the time you notice a trend and know enough about it, it can also be too late.



It would definitely be a kick in the teeth to people who have done the right thing - you can see that with the booster ramp up over the last week, that people are scaling back their Christmas plans, not meeting as many people, taking LFTs before doing things, this will happen naturally, we don't need their pizza parties to tell us what to do really.


The first thing we should know of new restrictions should be the proposal in Parliament with the MPs voting on it, then a press conference with BJ or a senior minister to announce the restrictions to the nation.



I would say they do absolutely need an escalation tactic if things do get worse in the hospitals, but this should be based on clear data - for example, if hospital admissions/number in hospital/number in intensive care reach a certain number, then we do this, if it reaches a higher number we close shops/pubs, ban indoor mixing, etc etc - and more crucially, if we then get the situation back below that number, then the situation is reversed automatically (might need a few days below that level to be sure). That way your info is driving your restrictions and it's not left to the whims of scientists, politicians, the media, etc etc. If we did go back to "stage 2" even if it was for a month then what? Would we have to go back through last year's stage 3 or would it just all get lifted? Would they have to work out another exit plan, which is always the issue with restrictions? Or just another 3 weeks to flatten the curve?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Regardless of which of those two options they choose (if they do choose one of those two) They have got to get financial support in for the hospitality industry. It will be damaged to the point of utter devastation

For now I would just issue guidance about indoor mixing.



Only do if it's necessary and if you do keep distance, keep ventilated, do LFTs.

Originally Posted by jfman

If you believe we do Government by briefings/leaks a two week circuit breaker for England starting 28th seems to be the outcome of the Cabinet meeting.

That said the Mirror have Step 2 restrictions for 4 weeks from 27th. Maybe they’re using the whole country as a big focus group.

No change was the actual result of the meeting.

[jfman]

Well, it’s certainly the current official line.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by jfman

Well, it’s certainly the current official line.

They are probably still considering their options and when they think is best to trigger them.


If some are wanting more info (or more complete data) before paying out millions in furlough, business support, restricting livelihoods, stopping people doing their hobbies etc, then I am firmly with them. You cannot, and should not, restrict otherwise lawful activities lightly, and on a "well this might happen if we don't" basis.


Encouraging people to get vaccinated, and see where that ends up, is by far and away the best policy right now.

[jfman]

I doubt they want to ruin their Christmas with a meeting, so I’d expect at least some agreed thresholds to have been discussed in lieu of having to actually make and announce a decision.

Boris hanging by a thread isn’t helpful, but a few more days of Omicron growth will focus the minds of the hopefuls for the next Conservative leadership contest.

Over 100k cases, by specimen date, one of the days last week once backfilled. Schools closing will help a bit, but not much.

Rishi has opened the chequebooks for the devolved governments so a proportionate sun - £4bn give it take - will be earmarked to date for whatever may happen.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by nffc

They are probably still considering their options and when they think is best to trigger them.


If some are wanting more info (or more complete data) before paying out millions in furlough, business support, restricting livelihoods, stopping people doing their hobbies etc, then I am firmly with them. You cannot, and should not, restrict otherwise lawful activities lightly, and on a "well this might happen if we don't" basis.


Encouraging people to get vaccinated, and see where that ends up, is by far and away the best policy right now.

Which is exactly what SAGE modelling is based on as they were asked to model worst case scenario only.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Which is exactly what SAGE modelling is based on as they were asked to model worst case scenario only.

Clear evidence of the ridiculous overstating of outcomes can be seen HERE

This isn't science, it's pure guesswork a child of 3 could put together.

And someone needs to remove that total idiot neil ferguson from any publicity.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Schools closing will help a bit, but not much.

I’ve got this one wrong before, as I’m sure you’ll remind me, but I can’t see them closing schools. As a school governor I know there are kids in Yr 1 and Yr 2 ( in my school, and ours is an ofsted “outstanding” school) still haven’t recovered from the last one.

As with everything, the situation would have to be dire to lockdown, I don’t think a lock down for a precautionary action would be supported.

I'm pretty sure he just means schools are closing (anyway) for the christmas holidays.