02-10-2023, 20:36
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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Maybe so, for Inner London, which made sense. But extending it to Outer London was Khan’s brilliant idea.
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He was elected on this basis and is likely to be re-elected too.
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02-10-2023, 23:20
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
We’ll see how the electorate in the Outer London Boroughs react. It’ll be interesting, but Rishi senses a winning formula…
Why do you think the Conservatives bucked the trend in the by-election?
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02-10-2023, 23:38
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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We’ll see how the electorate in the Outer London Boroughs react. It’ll be interesting, but Rishi senses a winning formula…
Why do you think the Conservatives bucked the trend in the by-election?
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Ulez may well have contributed to the Conservatives retaining Uxbridge but it will have faded out as an issue by the time of the election. A few whingers will doubtless try and keep the issue alive on GB News and the Daily Mail but they'll be preaching to the converted. Londoners are more concerned about other issues like NHS strikes, the cost of living crisis and shoplifting.
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02-10-2023, 23:44
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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We’ll see how the electorate in the Outer London Boroughs react. It’ll be interesting, but Rishi senses a winning formula…
Why do you think the Conservatives bucked the trend in the by-election?
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You’re absolutely right - going from 25,351 votes to 13,965 votes is really bucking the trend…
The Conservatives are are well and truly bucked…
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03-10-2023, 09:08
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
If, like Sunak, your de facto transport is a private jet, why get involved in a debate about 20 mph speed limits?
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Rishi seems not be sure about HS2 this morning. . He used to be indecisive but now he's not so sure....
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03-10-2023, 11:52
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
Well, just because I could, I checked my fuel consumption at different speeds driving home just now. There are a couple of long, straight, level sections of urban road that aren’t too busy mid-morning. I’m driving a Fiat Panda, 0.9 litre, 3 cylinder, 5 speed automatic. I absolutely love it - it’s pretty much a perfect town car.
At 20 mph, it settled in 3rd gear and, as it’s hard to keep the old right foot perfectly still, instant consumption was as high as 70mpg, as low as 55, but most of the time was around 65-66.
At 30mph, this particular car normally still wants to be in 3rd. It may select 4th if you stray above 30, and may or may not stay in 4th if you ease off. It has a very busy gearbox (I tend to keep it in eco mode most of the time, which forces the gearbox to relax a bit and change up earlier). This time it stayed in 3rd and fuel consumption was around 60mpg.
It’s also worth adding that when you accelerate to road speed from a standing stop, the mpg is below 20 (around 12-15). It’s reasonable to conclude that if you’re only accelerating back to 20 rather than 30 you spend less time doing low mpg.
Obviously this isn’t terribly scientific but I suspect a Fiat Panda is actually slightly more economical at 20mph than at 30.
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03-10-2023, 17:51
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
The brilliant Mr drakeford seems to be throwing his labour council friends under the bus, he now says it up to them to select the roads that are 20mph , surely they always did have this power just the default was then 30. Mph
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03-10-2023, 18:04
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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The brilliant Mr drakeford seems to be throwing his labour council friends under the bus, he now says it up to them to select the roads that are 20mph , surely they always did have this power just the default was then 30. Mph
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Yes. TRO's. And most were already 20mph near schools after councils spent a lot of time and OUR money to get them passed.
Now they have to spend even more time and OUR money to redo the whole process.
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A target to make all taxis electric by 2028 has been dropped by the Welsh government.
The 2028 target was in Welsh Labour's election manifesto, but transport minister Lee Waters said Wales cannot move faster than the rest of the UK.
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03-10-2023, 18:07
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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The brilliant Mr drakeford seems to be throwing his labour council friends under the bus, he now says it up to them to select the roads that are 20mph , surely they always did have this power just the default was then 30. Mph
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Yes, and he also will be well aware that many roads won’t get pushed back up to 30 for the same reason most of the ones that would have benefited, never previously got pushed down to 20. It costs councils time and money in consultation, notification and signage to change a speed limit.
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03-10-2023, 18:54
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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Yes, and he also will be well aware that many roads won’t get pushed back up to 30 for the same reason most of the ones that would have benefited, never previously got pushed down to 20. It costs councils time and money in consultation, notification and signage to change a speed limit.
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True he has a habit of blaming everyone else. Makes Boris look good 
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04-10-2023, 12:58
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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We’ll see how the electorate in the Outer London Boroughs react. It’ll be interesting, but Rishi senses a winning formula…
Why do you think the Conservatives bucked the trend in the by-election?
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"Rishi" hasn't even bothered to stop his constituencies own tory run council from expanding the 20mph to it's most significant size ever, seems like the war on motorists has been lost after the first battle, two days after the war begun no less, senses a winning formula, based on that the prime miniature has lost his senses
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08-10-2023, 16:39
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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You’re absolutely right - going from 25,351 votes to 13,965 votes is really bucking the trend…
The Conservatives are are well and truly bucked…
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They expected to lose and their vote only held up as well as it did because of their stance against ULEZ.
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16-10-2023, 22:17
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
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We’ll see how the electorate in the Outer London Boroughs react. It’ll be interesting, but Rishi senses a winning formula…
Why do you think the Conservatives bucked the trend in the by-election?
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From Britain Elects on Twitter
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 47% (+4)
CON: 27% (-1)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
via @DeltapollUK, 13 - 16 Oct
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13-11-2023, 12:37
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
You gotta love the permanent Labour Government of Wales. If this policy doesn't finish them off, nothing will.
20mph is great for cyclists though; we can easily catch and overtake cars which is very stressful for drivers. Teehee.
And of course, speed limits don't apply to cyclists.
You know what you have to do folks: get a bike. Don't say you weren't warned 
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13-11-2023, 12:51
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Re: 20mph is just the start.
As much as I can’t stand the 20mph limit I’d happily see it stay if it keeps the Tories out of Wales.
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