Coronavirus

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, it’s shield the vulnerable. What are lockdowns - your solution - if not isolation?

Again you deliberately conflate restrictions with lockdowns. Proving my point that debating with you is an essentially meaningless exercise because you fail to consider the points that are actually being made to you. Have you even considered if the economic impact of "shield the vulnerable", plus those self-selecting their way out of the economy and the WFH brigade outweigh the economic impact of some mitigations? You yourself couldn't name a single activity you wanted to do but could not directly before so-called "Freedom Day". Of course you haven't - because it's purely ideological.

Lockdowns will not eliminate the virus - although you don’t seem to understand this point.

Burying your head in the sand won't bring back a 2019 economy either.

The scientists have been trying to control our actions and what we can and cannot do since Covid arrived, and now it’s become a habitual knee-jerk response to everything. Some are making no secret of the fact they want to see mask wearing and social distancing forever more.

I've yet to see anyone say that those are required forever - this is pure speculation on your part and scaremongering.

And what do you mean by ‘ I suspect in your head, you plan to stay in for a few months until it blew over’? Where does that come from? Nobody stops me from going out, sunshine.

I mean the words I say - they are clear and unambiguous statements. You don't see me shifting goalposts so read it back to yourself, interpret it as you wish and take it from there.

I note you specifically say "nobody" stops me from going out - not "nothing" stops me from going out. These have two distinct meanings. I didn't at any stage deny that you would be making an autonomous choice in taking the proposed action. Sunshine.

[Mad Max]

Jffers, get a beer.....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oh dear, bit like a playground round here..

I was hoping you would step up and assist an older person with obvious cognitive issues.

Bless you.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I was hoping you would step up and assist an older person with obvious cognitive issues.

Bless you.

I'd help you cross the road, anytime old chap

[nomadking]

Even if the double jabbed that get infected, aren't able to pass it on, they must have caught it from someone who DID pass it on. The number of double-jabbed and infected, indicates how many infectious people are still out there.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'd help you cross the road, anytime old chap

There’s not many be so kind. Bonny lad.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Even if the double jabbed that get infected, aren't able to pass it on, they must have caught it from someone who DID pass it on. The number of double-jabbed and infected, indicates how many infectious people are still out there.

There's only about 50m double jabbed so still a fair few to go.

I notice SAGE are at it agin trying to instil fear.

Despite the hopes afforded by boosters, the SAGE papers today suggested Britain will not be coronavirus-free for at least another five years.

Experts suggested some form of measures will be needed for the next half a decade, with constant monitoring required to prevent future waves after Omicron has finished.

SAGE said: 'SARS-CoV-2 will continue to be a threat to health system function and require active management, of which vaccination and surveillance are key, for at least the next five years.'

Trying to justify their jobs perhaps?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

There's only about 50m double jabbed so still a fair few to go.

I notice SAGE are at it agin trying to instil fear.

Trying to justify their jobs perhaps?

What do you propose? Not monitoring?

As we are two years in on our fourth major variant (other areas of the world have saw others) I'm not convinced pretending it's not out there is a viable solution.

If vaccines are to become annual affairs, as many expect, monitoring is essential to find out how to tweak each vaccine.

This is what living with the virus looks like.

Originally Posted by jfman

I’m one minute in and so far I can tell Covid is on the up in almost all age groups, and almost all regions. Is there good news in there?

Maybe you should try watching all of it instead of 1 minute

Basically, "dont panic".
There is lots of hype about Omicron, but little to back it up atm.
Its likely to be a lot less of an issue than you think and could even just fizzle out, like beta did.

Oh, and covid cases (in general) are going up in most of Europe, but not so much in the UK.
Probably because we "unlocked" in the summer, they didnt, plus the added effect of boosters.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Again you deliberately conflate restrictions with lockdowns. Proving my point that debating with you is an essentially meaningless exercise because you fail to consider the points that are actually being made to you. Have you even considered if the economic impact of "shield the vulnerable", plus those self-selecting their way out of the economy and the WFH brigade outweigh the economic impact of some mitigations? You yourself couldn't name a single activity you wanted to do but could not directly before so-called "Freedom Day". Of course you haven't - because it's purely ideological.

Burying your head in the sand won't bring back a 2019 economy either.

Same old, same old. All this has been explained in previous posts. I’m getting off your merry go round now. You’ve had your fun, but you haven’t won.

As long as the PM keeps his nerve when so many lefties are panicking, we’ll be just fine resisting the panic measures these people are advocating.

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Originally Posted by jfman

What do you propose? Not monitoring?

As we are two years in on our fourth major variant (other areas of the world have saw others) I'm not convinced pretending it's not out there is a viable solution.

If vaccines are to become annual affairs, as many expect, monitoring is essential to find out how to tweak each vaccine.

This is what living with the virus looks like.

You are the one pretending there’s a crisis here in the U.K.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Maybe you should try watching all of it instead of 1 minute

Basically, "dont panic".
There is lots of hype about Omicron, but little to back it up atm.
Its likely to be a lot less of an issue than you think and could even just fizzle out, like beta did.

Oh, and covid cases (in general) are going up in most of Europe, but not so much in the UK.
Probably because we "unlocked" in the summer, they didnt, plus the added effect of boosters.

As we all know the British public respond well to “don’t panic”.

What you call ‘hype’ is grounded scientific analysis. While it may be that in practice vaccine efficacy holds up better than predicted, or the increased transmissibility seen to date is actually a fluke of a small number of superspreader events.

That doesn’t mean caution shouldn’t be considered. Individuals will take it upon themselves to exercise caution regardless until the data is clear.

Country comparisons suddenly valid because (relatively) we have looked in line with everyone else for a few weeks is a strange one, but it’s a long winter.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Same old, same old. All this has been explained in previous posts. I’m getting off your merry go round now. You’ve had your fun, but you haven’t won.

As long as the PM keeps his nerve when so many lefties are panicking, we’ll be just fine resisting the panic measures these people are advocating.

No answers but once again trying to portray this as a left wing ruse. My good news for you is Boris has such a great track record at not panicking.

You are the one pretending there’s a crisis here in the U.K.

Enjoy living with the virus off the merry go round. Do come back when restrictions are reintroduced, if so just for my entertainment.

[papa smurf]

NHS allows GPs to postpone health checks for over-75s to focus on booster jabs

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-nhs...-jabs-12486013

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....11.21266068v2

Although increases in the hazard of primary infection were observed following the introduction of both the Beta and Delta variants, no corresponding increase was observed in the reinfection hazard (approach 2). Contrary to expectation, the estimated hazard ratio for reinfection versus primary infection was lower during waves driven by the Beta and Delta variants than for the first wave (relative hazard ratio for wave 2 versus wave 1: 0.75 (CI95: 0.59-0.97); for wave 3 versus wave 1:0.71 (CI95: 0.56-0.92)). In contrast, the recent spread of the Omicron variant has been associated with a decrease in the hazard of primary infection and an increase in reinfection hazard. The estimated hazard ratio for reinfection versus primary infection for the period from 1 November 2021 to 27 November 2021 versus wave 1 was 2.39 (CI95: 1.88-3.11).

Conclusion: Population-level evidence suggests that the Omicron variant is associated with substantial ability to evade immunity from prior infection. In contrast, there is no population-wide epidemiological evidence of immune escape associated with the Beta or Delta variants. This finding has important implications for public health planning, particularly in countries like South Africa with high rates of immunity from prior infection. Urgent questions remain regarding whether Omicron is also able to evade vaccine-induced immunity and the potential implications of reduced immunity to infection on protection against severe disease and death.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

NHS allows GPs to postpone health checks for over-75s to focus on booster jabs

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-nhs...-jabs-12486013

A foolish decision, imo. If the doctors were true to their oath, they'd put in extra hours yo do the vaccinations rather than stiff the old folk.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

A foolish decision, imo. If the doctors were true to their oath, they'd put in extra hours yo do the vaccinations rather than stiff the old folk.

All three of my jabs have been administered by a nurse . . . no doctor in sight