Britain outside the EU

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

No... i asked you to post the videos because i saw you had posted this

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=3223

not your earlier posts....

you see in that post I said about posting evidence. I just wanted to know from Hugh what I have said in this thread or elsewhere for that matter that makes me pretty much a Nazi cuz in his words he put me on the right hinges of the Overton window which according to him way beyond radical and tbh I do not appreciate that accusation

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

hmmm i dont remember saying that, could you show me where?

(this is a new me, trying to be much calmer) and ready to admit past faults

Nah, let it go, can't be bothered with all this point scoring stuff . . . best left to politicians is that game

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

you see in that post I said about posting evidence. I just wanted to know from Hugh what I have said in this thread or elsewhere for that matter that makes me pretty much a Nazi cuz in his words he put me on the right hinges of the Overton window which according to him way beyond radical and tbh I do not appreciate that accusation

Ok, so, firstly, thank you for posting the link to the video, which does as you say show the French police allowing the boat to leave without intervention. In my mind they're not actively escorting but, that's semantics, so, c'est la vie.

Coming back to a point i made earlier, to be able to make a considered decision surely we need to factor in how many have been stopped from leaving?

There are always going to be a few bad apples in every police force. The UK itself shows enough evidence of that from it's recent past. Not that this justifies these officers behaviour

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Originally Posted by Carth

Nah, let it go, can't be bothered with all this point scoring stuff . . . best left to politicians is that game

Oh go on deary, double top and you've won

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ok, so, firstly, thank you for posting the link to the video, which does as you say show the French police allowing the boat to leave without intervention. In my mind they're not actively escorting but, that's semantics, so, c'est la vie.

Coming back to a point i made earlier, to be able to make a considered decision surely we need to factor in how many have been stopped from leaving?

There are always going to be a few bad apples in every police force. The UK itself shows enough evidence of that from it's recent past. Not that this justifies these officers behaviour

once is too much though and come seriously? you know the French want rid it is plainly obvious to me anyway. Macrons whole response to Boris letter today shows he wants nothing to do with it. They were given money to slow it down and the proof that even one boat was watched leaving with no intervention is a breach

[Carth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Oh go on deary, double top and you've won

Right . . . that's enough

Who are you, and what have you done to the real mrmistoffelees?



edit: . . total recall (not) . . but I seem to remember reading . . oh 6 months or so back maybe . . that the French were refusing to intercept boats because the kerfuffle may cause the migrants to panic and possibly capsize the boat they're in.

Could we play that game and leave them to flounder on towards the coast . . or are we 'better' than that?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

once is too much though and come seriously? you know the French want rid it is plainly obvious to me anyway. Macrons whole response to Boris letter today shows he wants nothing to do with it. They were given money to slow it down and the proof that even one boat was watched leaving with no intervention is a breach

I don't think you will ever. ever achieve perfection,

As i said before look at the US/Mexico border and with people coming from Guatemala & other countries, look at the amount of money that the US has thrown at countries & also thrown at technology (ours by comparison is a piffling amount) and they still cannot halt the flow.

We can pay France however much we want but ultimately if 'we' want to stop these people from making that journey then the responsibility is on 'us.' Now, how that's achieved is an entirely different kettle du poisson

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Originally Posted by Carth

Right . . . that's enough

Who are you, and what have you done to the real mrmistoffelees?



edit: . . total recall (not) . . but I seem to remember reading . . oh 6 months or so back maybe . . that the French were refusing to intercept boats because the kerfuffle may cause the migrants to panic and possibly capsize the boat they're in.

Could we play that game and leave them to flounder on towards the coast . . or are we 'better' than that?

I am the real me had some time away from posting as i didn't like the way i was posting

To your edit, I don't see the British coastguard/navy intercepting and turning away boats? if it's that easy why are they not doing so?

I don't particularly want to play aquatic wiff-waff with innocent people's lives

[Carth]

I had a suggestion quite a few pages ago ( ) but apparently it won't work because they won't have any ID . . or somfink



. . . and it would cost money

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I don't think you will ever. ever achieve perfection,

As i said before look at the US/Mexico border and with people coming from Guatemala & other countries, look at the amount of money that the US has thrown at countries & also thrown at technology (ours by comparison is a piffling amount) and they still cannot halt the flow.

We can pay France however much we want but ultimately if 'we' want to stop these people from making that journey then the responsibility is on 'us.' Now, how that's achieved is an entirely different kettle du poisson

Take them back to France. The prospect of which made Macron throw his dummy out the pram today

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Take them back to France. The prospect of which made Macron throw his dummy out the pram today

OK, so, why are we not doing that already?

[ianch99]

As the fog of Covid (temporarily) clears, we can turn our attention to the train wreck that Brexit has resulted in, Business leaders certainly have:

Half of UK SMEs think whole of UK society has been damaged by Brexit

50% of UK SMEs believe that Brexit has had a negative impact on the UK’s society as a whole and 64% believe that it has had a negative impact on the UK economy, reveals research from FreeAgent, the cloud accounting provider for small businesses and their accountants, launched today.

The new research, which looks at the impact Brexit is having on the UK’s SME sector, reveals that over 1 in 4 (26%) of UK SME owners said that Brexit has had a negative impact on their business. For those impacted, the main consequences cited were:

- Losing Customers – Over half (57%) experienced shrinking customer bases
Supply Chain Issues – 43% were impacted by supply chain issues and found it harder to get cost-effective supplies or produce for their business

- Increased costs of goods – 2 in 5 (42%) of SMEs found costs had increased to import goods

- Talent Shortage – 16% are suffering from a talent shortage as they are finding it harder to recruit staff

- Shutting Up Shop – Nearly 1 in 5 SMEs (19%) have considered closing their business during Brexit and 1 in 5 also did not think their business would survive Brexit

- Uncertain future – Even now, nearly half (46%) of SME business owners are worried about the future of their business. This worry increases for younger business owners, with 57% of 18-34 year old SME owners concerned about the future of their business

- Unfairly impacted the SME Sector – Over half (54%) believe that Brexit has a greater negative impact on SMEs than it had on large businesses.

- A Divided Nation – 68% of SME owners believe that Brexit has led to a more divided United Kingdom. SME owners are more likely to agree with this statement if they also said that Brexit had a negative impact on the UK economy and the society as a whole where it rises to 79% and 85% respectively. This is also the case for SME owners who are worried about the future of their business (81%).

Apply the long term 4% drop on GBP, twice as bad as Covid will be, and you see more and more people realise they we're conned, big style.

Maybe the details of the train wreck were on the other side of the bus?

[Carth]

aaaah the business leaders are back, profitability first lads, all hands to the pumps, we need our cheap labour back . . . oh, and don't mention the effect lockdowns had

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

OK, so, why are we not doing that already?

Well, exactly.

[jonbxx]

I was curious as there are claims here that France is doing nothing to prevent people crossing the channel. It turns out, unsurprisingly, that that is complete nonsense;

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I was curious as there are claims here that France is doing nothing to prevent people crossing the channel. It turns out, unsurprisingly, that that is complete nonsense;

Certain media publications just love to incite and stir up nationalism.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

Take them back to France. The prospect of which made Macron throw his dummy out the pram today

Not really. I'm not a fan of Macron but writing an open letter to the leader of another country won't get results. That kind of approach is just for internal consumption.

I suspect Macron was actually pleased by the open letter, he can increase his re-election prospects by saying he will stand up to an unreasonable UK and get rhe country behind him. Then do something unreasonable himself and Boris can play the same game.