Britain outside the EU

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Perhaps you shouldn’t post when you’ve been on the booze - or was it the opioids?

You know OB is out of ammo when it’s petty insults before bed.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It has a meaning until people stop bleating on about the decision of the electorate.

So stop bleating then. You need to move on. We need to discuss the consequences of the decision and those who are responsible for it. Accountability is a bedrock of democracy.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So stop bleating then. You need to move on. We need to discuss the consequences of the decision and those who are responsible for it. Accountability is a bedrock of democracy.

Or even better, discuss what now needs to be done to make it work. You are labelling it a failure before we have even revised the laws and bureaucracy that was getting in the way of our success.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Or even better, discuss what now needs to be done to make it work. You are labelling it a failure before we have even revised the laws and bureaucracy that was getting in the way of our success.

I think that is known as remoaning.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Or even better, discuss what now needs to be done to make it work. You are labelling it a failure before we have even revised the laws and bureaucracy that was getting in the way of our success.

Ian hasn't labelled it a failure - you have implied it is by using that word. Are you perchance a closet remoaner, Old Boy? Ian said "We need to discuss the consequences of the decision and those who are responsible for it. Accountability is a bedrock of democracy."

Which laws and bureaucracy are getting in the way of our success? Currently, I'm hearing from business that it's post-Brexit red tape that is impacting their export efforts.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I think that is known as remoaning.

Nice one Papa.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

What are people who are critical of what has happened since?

British electorate?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Or even better, discuss what now needs to be done to make it work. You are labelling it a failure before we have even revised the laws and bureaucracy that was getting in the way of our success.

Can you name any specific law or bureaucracy (and propose amendments to it) and quantify the extent to which it moves us forwards to 'success'?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Can you name any specific law or bureaucracy (and propose amendments to it) and quantify the extent to which it moves us forwards to 'success'?

He can't, you are wasting your time. All he can promise is illusion, the reality is all around in plain site. We really are at the point where the small boy says to the Emperor he's wearing nothing at all:

Two swindlers arrive at the capital city of an emperor who spends lavishly on clothing at the expense of state matters. Posing as weavers, they offer to supply him with magnificent clothes that are invisible to those who are stupid or incompetent. The emperor hires them, and they set up looms and go to work. A succession of officials, and then the emperor himself, visit them to check their progress. Each sees that the looms are empty but pretends otherwise to avoid being thought a fool.

Finally, the weavers report that the emperor's suit is finished. They mime dressing him and he sets off in a procession before the whole city. The townsfolk uncomfortably go along with the pretense, not wanting to appear inept or stupid, until a child blurts out that the emperor is wearing nothing at all. The people then realize that everyone has been fooled. Although startled, the emperor continues the procession, walking more proudly than ever.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

He can't, you are wasting your time. All he can promise is illusion, the reality is all around in plain site. We really are at the point where the small boy says to the Emperor he's wearing nothing at all:

What's your point? We all know that there are serious problems with Brexit cause by Boris' government.

So, how do you suggest things should change without in any way reversing our divorce from the EU?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's your point? We all know that there are serious problems with Brexit cause by Boris' government.

So, how do you suggest things should change without in any way reversing our divorce from the EU?

With the best will in the world to ianch99, Mr K, 1andrew1 and myself we’re not the experts in this. We’ve no buy in.

OB on the other hand wants to move the conversation on to discuss what now needs to be done to make it work and, since he referenced it, I’ve invited him to name specific laws and bureaucracy that have to change to make it a success.

If he’s stumped you’ve no chance of us having the answer.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ian hasn't labelled it a failure - you have implied it is by using that word. Are you perchance a closet remoaner, Old Boy? Ian said "We need to discuss the consequences of the decision and those who are responsible for it. Accountability is a bedrock of democracy."

Which laws and bureaucracy are getting in the way of our success? Currently, I'm hearing from business that it's post-Brexit red tape that is impacting their export efforts.

Well, that’s twisting it even further than you normally twist things, Andrew. I’ve been consistent in saying all along that we are in a transitional stage and that the adjustments we need to make Brexit a success have hardly even begun.

I was saying to Ian that he was labelling it a failure, as indeed are you and far too many others on here. The bureaucracy businesses are co mplaining of are those the EU is insisting on. The benefits of Brexit will not be discovered in practice until we do something about that.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

So stop bleating then. You need to move on. We need to discuss the consequences of the decision and those who are responsible for it. Accountability is a bedrock of democracy.

I’m not theone still moaning about Brexit. We’re you focussed when you wrote this?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's your point? We all know that there are serious problems with Brexit cause by Boris' government.

So, how do you suggest things should change without in any way reversing our divorce from the EU?

The point is obvious to all but the faithful. You are deluded if you think it is just this executive that has caused the project's rapid demise. The whole proposition was doomed from the onset. The modern world does not work like it did 40 years ago.

Brexit is/will cause permanent economic damage to this country, not forgetting the societal divisions it created and the racism/xenophobia it validated. The only pragmatic action is to target EFTA membership and then work from there.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

He can't, you are wasting your time. All he can promise is illusion, the reality is all around in plain site. We really are at the point where the small boy says to the Emperor he's wearing nothing at all:

What do you know about what I think? This thread has nothing in it to say about benefits, it’s all negativism - pretty well all of it.

I have already given some examples of EU legislation that needs to be taken out to free up business. Remember the GDPR, Working Time Directive and Acquired Rights Directive?

It’s about time there was constructive talk about making this work. What is the purpose of constantly inserting links and opinions about things that have gone wrong or have not happened? Does that actually help anyone if we don’t then look at how to put it right?

It’s just pointless moaning and wingeing, predominantly by people who were on the wrong side of the referendum and don’t wish to respect the result.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

The point is obvious to all but the faithful. You are deluded if you think it is just this executive that has caused the project's rapid demise. The whole proposition was doomed from the onset. The modern world does not work like it did 40 years ago.

Brexit is/will cause permanent economic damage to this country, not forgetting the societal divisions it created and the racism/xenophobia it validated. The only pragmatic action is to target EFTA membership and then work from there.

The electorate voted for Brexit. Get over it.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I have already given some examples of EU legislation that needs to be taken out to free up business. Remember the GDPR, Working Time Directive and Acquired Rights Directive?

It’s about time there was constructive talk about making this work. What is the purpose of constantly inserting links and opinions about things that have gone wrong or have not happened? Does that actually help anyone if we don’t then look at how to put it right?

The floor if yours, OB. Tell us how the erosion of workers rights will raise living standards?