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Old 23-09-2022, 15:43   #1
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Part Time Workers Targeted

and told to get more hours/earn more money or face a cut in benefits.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/22/over-...-pay-17428764/
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Old 23-09-2022, 16:18   #2
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I’m old enough to remember when we were promised a high skill, high wage economy.

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Old 23-09-2022, 17:10   #3
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Iím old enough to remember when we were promised a high skill, high wage economy.

Thatís the plan. They are just starting by increasing the take home of the super rich first. Itís about time those earning over £150k had a break
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Old 23-09-2022, 17:26   #4
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Iím old enough to remember when we were promised a high skill, high wage economy.

If only people would deliberately misinterpreting and misquoting things.Which politician or political party, has EVER said that "high wage, high skill" means simply paying everybody more? All the political parties talk about NEW jobs that are "high wage, high skill".
Too many people don't even reach the level of "low skill".
The complaints about these measures from both sides, is that people don't want to do the jobs.
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Old 23-09-2022, 17:30   #5
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If only people would deliberately misinterpreting and misquoting things.Which politician or political party, has EVER said that "high wage, high skill" means simply paying everybody more? All the political parties talk about NEW jobs that are "high wage, high skill".
Too many people don't even reach the level of "low skill".
The complaints about these measures from both sides, is that people don't want to do the jobs.
Iím not sure how I can misquote something thatís actually been said.

Driving up labour supply is only going to undermine working conditions for the already low paid with diminishing living standards.
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Iím not sure how I can misquote something thatís actually been said.

Driving up labour supply is only going to undermine working conditions for the already low paid with diminishing living standards.
So which party manifesto or politician has ever said it was anything other than NEW jobs?
One side of the coin of this issue, is that they are not doing enough hours, the other is that they don't actually want to do more hours. We're NOT talking about high skilled workers.
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So which party manifesto or politician has ever said it was anything other than NEW jobs?
One side of the coin of this issue, is that they are not doing enough hours, the other is that they don't actually want to do more hours. We're NOT talking about high skilled workers.
Iím not sure why I should link, or evidence, a statement entirely unrelated to the one I actually made.
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Re: Part Time Workers Targeted

How do you work more hours if your employer refuses to give them to you ?
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One side of the coin of this issue, is that they are not doing enough hours, the other is that they don't actually want to do more hours. We're NOT talking about high skilled workers.
I think you're absolutely correct, but I also think this is the issue.

Some people (whilst not the 'target'), fall into the part-time category that will fall foul of policy changes, not becuase they don't want to work more, but because they can't. Childcare prevents them from working full time, perhaps. Being an unpaid part-time carer for a loved one, maybe? Not everyone has 37.5 hours a week to give to a job, and it isn't choice. They might really want to work full time. It's just no possible for them to do so.

The second point you make is also true. They (government) are not talking about highly skilled workers. But again, it's not because all of the low skill workers can't be bothered to be highly skilled - some people (and this may be controversial), are just not able to be highly skilled. There are many people out there, for whatever reason, simply do not have the capacity to get into a highly skilled or cognitively demanding job. They physically and/or mentally cannot do it. Perhaps it's down to a psychological disorder, a physical disorder, developmental problem, maybe even just 'global delay' as it is now referred to in education (for those not familiar with the term, it is a polite way of saying 'a bit slow').

The issue is the policy does not seem to acknowledge those people who cannot, for whatever reason, work more or work at a higher level. And whilst those people have not been 'targeted', they will unfortunately become victims in this situation.
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How do you work more hours if your employer refuses to give them to you ?
I think they expect them to get another job
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A lot of employers mainly take on part time employees because it keeps their wage below the National Insurance (NI) level where the employers NI contribution kicks in.

If it all fits in with everybody, they may be able to do two part time jobs if no suitable full time jobs are available. It should be noted that it's sometimes in the contract of employment that employees are not allowed to work anywhere else, even for zero hours contracts, in order to keep the employee available to work if needs be.

The problem with this is that they won't be getting a NI credit for being unemployed or earning enough to pay NI themselves. A gap in their lifetime NI record could affect their pension and entitlement to other benefits should they become sick, disabled etc.

Some people, like myself, went part time because it's all they can manage, bur at least they are partially supporting themselves. I'm not on Univetsal Credit, but the principle is the same.

To encourage people to take up less than full time hours and ensure that those in work weren't worse off than on benefits, the Tories introduced Family Income Supplement for those working 30 hours a week or more.

The Thatcher Government changed this to Family Credit in 1988 and made the qualifying hours 24, the Major Government changed this to 16, the Blair Government changed this to Tax Credits and the Cameron Government changed this to Universal Credit.

Both parties did this with the belief in mind that it was better to make work pay and have people partially supporting themselves than totally relying on the state.

Now that various events have resulted in a lot of unfilled vacancies I think that the attitude of the Truss Government towards this idea has changed, both to save money and fill some of these vacancies.

Jaymoss is correct though in that many people who can only work part time will fall foul of this legislation amendment.

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There are quite a few people who play the system by doing just the minimum of work to gain the maximum of State Benefits.

But there are also Carers who can only earn £132 a week before having their Carers Allowance stopped.
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There are quite a few people who play the system by doing just the minimum of work to gain the maximum of State Benefits.

But there are also Carers who can only earn £132 a week before having their Carers Allowance stopped.
It's a cliff edge system for the sick, disabled and their carers.

The original idea was that they could work up to 16 hours a week up to an amount equal to 16 X the hourly minimum wage. (currently £9.50), so it's interesting to learn that £132 ų 16 is now only worth £8.25 per hour.

This means that carers can now effectively only work for little more than 13 hours a week, less if they receive more per hour than the minimum wage.

This reduction by stealth seems at odds with the Truss policy of trying to get part time workers to increase their hours.

The sick and disabled haven't faced this reduction in earning potential and can earn up to £152 per week (on average after any deductions).

It's bizarre that those less likely to be able to work have had their earnings disregard maintained, whilst those that selflessly look after them haven't.

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It's bizarre that those less likely to be able to work have had their earnings disregard maintained, whilst those that selflessly look after them haven't.
It is also bizarre that a Carer's private pensions do not count as income, so Carers Allowance continues, but as soon as they get the State Pension, it is stopped due to a DWP rule about "overlapping benefits".

Since when is the State Pension a "Benefit"?

I missed out on the £500 "thankyou" payment for Carers in Wales due to this. By 2 weeks!
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