Madeleine McCann

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

The parents should not have left the children that is my whole and total point

Yes but there is no need for you to keep pointing that out all the time, what is and will be obvious to the parents now - FYI - I haven't said I don't blame the parents - but there is a time and place to do the blaming, now isn't one of them. Compassion should come first, blame later.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

yes I am right but today I have been branded ignorant and obnoxious for voicing a view that is right

Actually - that wasn't aimed at you if you read the post again - you didn't mention the parents should be sent to jail - someone else did, and it was aimed at them because it was such a obnoxious and quite ridiculous suggestion in the first instance.

Originally Posted by Mick

I see some people are still coming out and pointing the finger at the parents - some of you really are totally pathetic. There is too many people here with a 'Serves them right' attitude and its completely inappropriate given the fact that the girl is still missing.

But there are some here who appear more bothered about whose to blame than the girl being found.

They don't need ignorant and obnoxious people like some of you saying they was in the wrong and they need to go to jail, they don't need people coming out with extracts from law books or guidelines from the NSPCC - they need their little girl back and I am sure they know what they did at the time, was wrong and I am sure they would take any punishment coming to them, just to get their girl back, but as each day passes, they are going through hell, noones deserves to be put through that no matter what the circumstances are or whose to blame.

I'll say it again - pointing the blame will not get this girl back.

I posted the law information

And? You are still not reading the post right zing...

Ok im sorry . You said I shouldnt have to keep pointing it out but why? they are not gonna be reading it its just a point that I feell needs to be got across to everybody. How many other poeple leave their kids in situations like this? there is a chance that someone who does may well read this dont you think? what if by standing up and saying its wrong instead of pushing it behind the fact a child is missing which does not change the fact its wrong, that person could change their ways a childs life could be save we wont know that of course because the parent wouldnt leave the child alone anymore.

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Ok im sorry . You said I shouldnt have to keep pointing it out but why?

Because we know, you know - everybody now knows, that's why - it doesn't need spelling out whose to blame, I note in the news coverage there is people giving well wishes to the parents, yet there are some on here doing the opposite and its wrong.

Compassion now - blame later.

[pop80_uk]

I have to say I agree with Zingle, but am going to wade into this debate in the shallow end.

I feel most for the poor girl, who where ever she is, lost, hurt or abducted must be terrified, lonely, upset and hungry. When she gets found I hope she is OK and safe and not been hurt in anyway.
I can only imagine what this girl must be going through and the sheer terror she must be feeling. When she is found it is most certain she will carry this with her for the rest of her life. Poor kid.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Ok im sorry . You said I shouldnt have to keep pointing it out but why? they are not gonna be reading it its just a point that I feell needs to be got across to everybody. How many other poeple leave their kids in situations like this? there is a chance that someone who does may well read this dont you think? what if by standing up and saying its wrong instead of pushing it behind the fact a child is missing which does not change the fact its wrong, that person could change their ways a childs life could be save we wont know that of course because the parent wouldnt leave the child alone anymore.

Got to agree - we can't alter the facts but hopefully everyone who reads this thread will think again before considering doing anything similar.

Originally Posted by Mick

Because we know, you know - everybody now knows, that's why - it doesn't need spelling out whose to blame, I note in the news coverage there is people giving well wishes to the parents, yet there are some on here doing the opposite and its wrong.

Compassion now - blame later.

you totally missing my point on influence aint ya

Ill finish with

Please anyone who has ever left there children like this please learn a lesson and do not do it again its for the best
and
My thoughts and prayers are for the safe return of the child

[breamhunter]

Originally Posted by Mick

Actually - that wasn't aimed at you if you read the post again - you didn't mention the parents should be sent to jail - someone else did, and it was aimed at them because it was such a obnoxious and quite ridiculous suggestion in the first instance.

I never said that the parents should be sent to jail either but to be honest I think they should, they left children under the age of 3 on their own Full Stop!!!

Obviously first things first, Find the Child, Sort what happened then sort the parents out IMHO...

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

Now if they had actually left the children and disappeared to a nightclub and rolled in at 5 in the morning I would be as judgemental..however in the circumstances of this case I think they were far more responsible than they are being given credit for.

The facts are the apartment was locked,the windows were shut and the flat was in sight of the parents at all times.Someone jimmied the window open and then left the door wide open.Someone went to a deal of trouble just to get that one particular child.That's the real sh*t in this case not the parents.

and how then would the kids have faired in the case of a fire

childen should never be left alone like that

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Originally Posted by Mick

I see some people are still coming out and pointing the finger at the parents - some of you really are totally pathetic. There is too many people here with a 'Serves them right' attitude and its completely inappropriate given the fact that the girl is still missing.

But there are some here who appear more bothered about whose to blame than the girl being found.

They don't need ignorant and obnoxious people like some of you saying they was in the wrong and they need to go to jail, they don't need people coming out with extracts from law books or guidelines from the NSPCC - they need their little girl back and I am sure they know what they did at the time, was wrong and I am sure they would take any punishment coming to them, just to get their girl back, but as each day passes, they are going through hell, noones deserves to be put through that no matter what the circumstances are or whose to blame.

I'll say it again - pointing the blame will not get this girl back.

quite right gtting the girl back is the most inportant thing

but stopping others doing the same is even more important it is obvious from some posts that they see nothing wrong in leaving the kids in this way

it is not if zingles pst mak just ne person think twice about doing the same it will help far more than just feeling sorry for this family

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Originally Posted by jkat

how u so sure??

if they had had dinner in thier room or taken them to dinner it would have been an awfull lot harder for some one to take her

[jkat]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

if they had had dinner in thier room or taken them to dinner it would have been an awfull lot harder for some one to take her

"if" being the operative word. harder/easier the end result is the same. the only blame is at the alleged abductor/s no "buts" and "ifs", end of.

[marky]

I appologise for some of my outbursts last night, if i offended anybody i am sorry, all of us with kids will find this a very imotive subject and post things we may regret later.
Again
Sorry

Mark

[D_Skids]

Originally Posted by breamhunter

Obviously first things first, Find the Child, Sort what happened then sort the parents out IMHO...

I couldn't have said it better.

I will say though that I don't think the parents should go to jail as that is just making it more difficult for their children but they should be given a hefty fine or something similar. In fact if it all ends happily they should appear on the TV and make a statement to all parents saying 'Don't do what we did'. Even turn it into an advert to make other parents think.

Obviously, they are suffering enough as it is at them moment and they do have my sympathies but when this is all over it shouldn't just be swept under the carpet.

Originally Posted by Berezovski

What a lot of rubbish! Did I say watcH?

Have you seen lots of independent 3 year olds?

Try reading your own post.

I never left my kids alone until they were 13.

Where are 3 year olds mentioned ? - If you weren't watching them then you must have left them alone, make your mind up.

Pathetic parents. They should be jailed.

Yes, of course, that would be best for everyone wouldn't it. While your at it why don't you jail the parents of Holly & Jessica, after all they let them wander the streets aged 10/11, and of course, we must immediately jail Sarah Paynes mother for leaving her young kids to play in a corn field.

Originally Posted by D_Skids

In fact if it all ends happily they should appear on the TV and make a statement to all parents saying 'Don't do what we did'. Even turn it into an advert to make other parents think.

A campaign would be a good idea perhaps.

Originally Posted by Paul M

While your at it why don't you jail the parents of Holly & Jessica, after all they let them wander the streets aged 10/11, and of course, we must immediately jail Sarah Paynes mother for leaving her young kids to play in a corn field.

The difference being of course, while kids growing up are prone to go out and play, it's not feasible to watch them wherever they are. Can you imagine parents following their kids out at play?!
Any parent with the opportunity to be able to know their three 3 year old kids are safe and well and not alone would do so.
At least, you'd like to think.
Kids are obviously not safe from predators, but where feasibly possible - i.e. not being left alone at night in a hotel - any parent I know would crawl over broken glass to make sure their kids were safe if it was possible.

I must say I refuse to accept anyone's idea that most people here are trying to detract from this horrific event by trying to apportion blame and not considering Madeleine.
This is people dealing and venting.
I guarantee there is not ONE person among the thousands here that thinks blaming people is the solution. It's human nature to say "if". No-one means any harm by it for goodness sake.
We all want the same outcome. What must we do, not discuss it at all?