Coronavirus

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

So a 0/36 vs a 1/36

I am all for taking precautions my dice thing was just for lolz

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Yes, or the full quote.



https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/87949404.cms

Or, not the full quote as it would appear

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

The odds of throwing a double 6 never changes haha

I didn't say that. The odds of it happening on at least one occasion, amongst all those throws still increases. You only have to catch Covid ONCE, which is what we're talking about.
If you throw a pair of dice, a billion times, then a double six is highly likely to have come up at least once in one of those billion throws. Although theoretically possible that a double six wouldn't have appeared in any of those billion throws, you shouldn't bet on that happening.
It is not measuring win vs loss, the loss is "catastrophic". If you lose everything if it is a double six, would you take part? And if so, how many times would you risk taking part? The wins could never compensate for any loss.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I didn't say that. The odds of it happening on at least one occasion, amongst all those throws still increases. You only have to catch Covid ONCE, which is what we're talking about.
If you throw a pair of dice, a billion times, then a double six is highly likely to have come up at least once in one of those billion throws. Although theoretically possible that a double six wouldn't have appeared in any of those billion throws, you shouldn't bet on that happening.
It is not measuring win vs loss, the loss is "catastrophic". If you lose everything if it is a double six, would you take part? And if so, how many times would you risk taking part? The wins could never compensate for any loss.

jebus cripes it was just meant as a humorous retort not a serious reply

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

jebus cripes it was just meant as a humorous retort not a serious reply

So potentially catching, spreading, creating new variants is humorous?
The problem is that people can easily pick up on a "humorous" comment and treat it as fact.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So potentially catching, spreading, creating new variants is humorous?
The problem is that people can easily pick up on a "humorous" comment and treat it as fact.

wind ya neck in

Bit of humour in these dark days is a good thing

(Yeah Hugh I get the irony)

Originally Posted by nomadking

So potentially catching, spreading, creating new variants is humorous?
The problem is that people can easily pick up on a "humorous" comment and treat it as fact.

Jesus, take a chill pill.

[nomadking]

So not only did they have time to get into the UK, they moved around, and had time to leave again.
Link

A third case of the Omicron coronavirus variant has been detected in the UK, the UK Health Security Agency has said.


Officials said the case was linked to travel to southern Africa, where the variant was identified, but the individual is no longer in the UK.


The agency said the person spent time in the Westminster area of London.

Demonstrates how long it can go undetected, especially with milder symptoms.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Or, not the full quote as it would appear

I watched her interview, and said that the cases were in a University, among the students.

Wow, so 3 cases now, but one isnt even in the Uk anymore.

Oh, and apparently milder symptoms as well.

Dr Angelique Coetzee, the South African doctor who first spotted the new Covid variant Omicron, says the patients seen so far have had "extremely mild symptoms"

So obviously we need to over-react once more and lockdown for another 6 months.

Eventually someone will realise its a battle you can never win, and we wasted 3 years and gazillions of pounds trying.
Eventually either everyone caught it, or they were immune (natually or due to vaccines).

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wow, so 3 cases now, but one isnt even in the Uk anymore.

Oh, and apparently milder symptoms as well.


So obviously we need to over-react once more and lockdown for another 6 months.

Eventually someone will realise its a battle you can never win, and we wasted 3 years and gazillions of pounds trying.
Eventually either everyone caught it, or they were immune (natually or due to vaccines).

or they get seriously ill suffer for a long time or die. Maybe me maybe you maybe someone I love maybe someone you love

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

or they get seriously ill suffer for a long time or die. Maybe me maybe you maybe someone I love maybe someone you love

Life’s a bitch.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

or they get seriously ill suffer for a long time or die. Maybe me maybe you maybe someone I love maybe someone you love

That can happen with other things too though. I'm not suggesting that reasonable measures shouldn't be taken to prevent covid deaths but it's only one thing in a whole host of things which need to be considered.


We don't go all out on flu - though that has a lower fatality due to existing immunity and flu jabs - even though people with certain health conditions are vulnerable to that too, and can be hospitalised and die.



I think it's sensible taking reasonable precautions to try and slow this down both getting in and spreading within the country but really these measures are like sticking your finger in a leaky dike and expecting it to stop, it won't. It is no doubt here and the damage is already done, if it's that transmissible maybe even a full lockdown won't stop it, boosters are the way to go whilst they look at a new vaccine if it's needed. But it may well turn out the virus is milder and/or won't take off. Only hindsight will give the answer there.

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

or they get seriously ill suffer for a long time or die. Maybe me maybe you maybe someone I love maybe someone you love

Originally Posted by Pierre

Life’s a bitch.

That’s cold…

Anyway, the Mail’s "War on Christmas" stories get earlier every year - it’s not even December yet…

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wow, so 3 cases now, but one isnt even in the Uk anymore.

Oh, and apparently milder symptoms as well.


So obviously we need to over-react once more and lockdown for another 6 months.

Eventually someone will realise its a battle you can never win, and we wasted 3 years and gazillions of pounds trying.
Eventually either everyone caught it, or they were immune (natually or due to vaccines).

A) three known cases at this point, quite like how delta started out

B) Wasn’t the primary point of lockdown to ensure that the NHS didn’t get overran with cases due to having no vaccines or treatment options, and to allow vaccines to be developed?

C) Re milder symptoms we’ve got one African Dr saying this (she’s been misquoted) and we’ve got scientists globally going ‘hmmm hang on a minute, we don’t know this yet’

We’ve got a few scenarios

1) transmission rate higher than delta, but less severe illness is potentially a route out of this entire pandemic.

2) transmission rate remains broadly similar, severity of illness remains the same = we carry on the same path as we are now

3) transmissions rate higher, severity of illness the same, significant vaccine escape = reimposition of restrictions in varying forms until updated vaccines can be rolled out.

Lockdown is only going to reoccur on option 3