Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

His interview on BBC Reporting Scotland last night made him look like the unpopular kid in sixth year who only found out about the cool houseparties the morning after they’d happened.

lol, Kate Forbes must be pretty happy not to have inherited the mess he has.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

lol, Kate Forbes must be pretty happy not to have inherited the mess he has.

I’m sure she thinks she’s dodged a bullet right now, yes. Though in her case, the platform she stood on would have allowed her now to be properly outraged in TV interviews (as she was openly critical of the government’s prior record). Humza Useless has the disadvantage of being the continuity candidate who stood on a ‘things are basically OK, let’s do more of the same’ platform, with the open backing of those in the party hierarchy who, it now turns out, didn’t trust or respect him nearly as much as they said they did.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

lol, Kate Forbes must be pretty happy not to have inherited the mess he has.

Depends on what approach the person takes. "Nothing to with me" or "I'm going to get to the bottom of it all".

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The sorry saga continues: Humza Yousaf says SNP's auditors resigned six months ago but he's only just found out.

https://news.sky.com/story/scottish-...-know-12855153

And the sorry saga continues to continue … SNP insiders claim the SNP Motorhome was bought to use as an election battle bus in 2021. Humza Useless says he only found out it existed after he became party leader (and read about it on a police warrant listing items to be seized).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65264713

Originally Posted by Chris

And the sorry saga continues to continue … SNP insiders claim the SNP Motorhome was bought to use as an election battle bus in 2021. Humza Useless says he only found out it existed after he became party leader (and read about it on a police warrant listing items to be seized).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-65264713

In a way, I find it pretty depressing and pathetic how lame our corruption is. Undone for a crappy motorhome that sits unused in a drive, rubbish. If this were America we would be talking a secret family, a mansion paid for by corporate lobbyists maybe even a wiretap on their political opponents.

[nomadking]

Seems crazy that a major purchase and problems with the auditors wouldn't have been discussed at a senior SNP level.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Seems crazy that a major purchase and problems with the auditors wouldn't have been discussed at a senior SNP level.

When the party leader and the party chief executive share the same bed, it can be discussed over breakfast and nobody else would know

The clique at the top of the party was in reality a little bigger than just Mr and Mrs Murrell but not very much bigger.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

When the party leader and the party chief executive share the same bed, it can be discussed over breakfast and nobody else would know

The clique at the top of the party was in reality a little bigger than just Mr and Mrs Murrell but not very much bigger.

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In March 2021, three members of the finance and audit committee resigned after being refused access to the party’s books, prompting pro-independence activist Sean Clerkin to complain to the police about possible fraud in relation to the SNP’s fundraising.
In late May 2021, Mr Chapman stood down as treasurer, saying he had been denied the information he needed to do the job.

How have they managed to get away with this for so long?

Originally Posted by nomadking

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How have they managed to get away with this for so long?

There are a couple of main reasons. First because they’ve been winning elections, which has allowed a personality cult to develop around those at the very top, and those personalities have been able to demand everyone else shut up and leave them to get on with winning. Second, because of a phenomenon called ‘wheesht for indy’ … a great many people within the nationalist movement have always known the SNP is amateurish and could see perfectly well that its record in office was patchy at best, but as it is the only mainstream party committed to Scottish independence there has been something of a self-imposed vow of silence about it all. They didn’t want to criticise the SNP because if the SNP’s reputation was tarnished it might lose power and that would set back the cause of independence for years.

[denphone]

More bad news for the SNP this morning.

https://news.sky.com/story/man-71-ar...ances-12859902

[1andrew1]

I confess I wasn't sure if this was the latest thread on the SNP or whether it was the "Help me stash my cash" thread I should be looking at.

[nashville]

Sooner they are all gone the better, life with the SNP has been a disaster .

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by nashville

Sooner they are all gone the better, life with the SNP has been a disaster .

Careful what you wish for. We have labour and they are a collection of you can't do that brigade. Waiting for adverts for people to walk with red flag , coming to a motorway near you . 1of April prank was 20mph speed limit on a bad part of a motorway, no one disbelieved it

Originally Posted by Itshim

Careful what you wish for. We have labour and they are a collection of you can't do that brigade. Waiting for adverts for people to walk with red flag , coming to a motorway near you . 1of April prank was 20mph speed limit on a bad part of a motorway, no one disbelieved it

The difference is that Welsh Labour are a lot of unreconstructed dinosaurs who have been in power ever since devolution. They’ve never had to change because there are still too many people in the Valleys who’ll vote for a monkey as long as it’s wearing a red rosette. You can add to that the fact that your average Plaido still looks like they’ve escaped from a badly organised twmpath and hasn’t yet worked out why nobody else thinks an independent nation state called Wales is a good idea. I.e. they’re not a credible alternative government in the way the SNP has been here in Scotland. There is no serious challenge to Labour, and therefore no need for them to critically appraise themselves and work to do better.

When enough working class voters in Scotland allowed themselves to believe that their priorities were best served by the SNP, not Labour, then the tide turned and Labour lost power. The SNP did this by presenting itself as a pragmatic, centre-left party that believed in independence for Scotland but wasn’t obsessed with it.

There are natural ceilings on the Tory and Liberal votes in Scotland and the SNP’s reign will end as and when Scottish Labour gets its act together and starts effectively pointing out that the SNP is no longer centre-left and is no longer pragmatic about its campaign for independence. It has lurched to extremes, thanks to its ill-advised coalition with the Greens, and it is now becoming clear that its obsession with viewing everything through an independence campaign prism has contributed to a lot of what is now going speciatularly wrong for them.

At the next Holyrood election we are likely to be rid of the SNP, most likely to get a minority Labour administration in power instead. Hopefully, with the knowledge that their vote is earned, and not an entitlement, we will get a little less of the pettifogging county hall-type antics you are subjected to in Wales.

[Sephiroth]

I’ve forgotten where I read it last week, Torygraph prolly, but H Useless had to abandon his proposal to reduce alcohol advertisements. Hmmm - I’ll bet that’s pissed his Imam off.