Britain outside the EU

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The article you quoted was pertinent to the US scene and not to Brexit nor anything like it.

Your fundamental position seems to be that older people should have sacrificed their view to that of the young people. That is not what life (and democracy) is about. The younger people haven't given a thought to Brussels making our over-arching laws. And before you bleat about the older people not being wise enough to foresee the current situation, I point out that they certainly understand the long game.



... and guess who the money that the older people have paid in will pay for? What happened to that money? You are disgusting.



As I said, it was implicit in your statement that the older people were doing something wrong by exercising their democratic right in the Referendum.

You are too bitter to see things in the right proportions.

It would be polite to not call people "disgusting" just because they hold a contrary position to yours. You need to calm down and possibly apologise?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Since when did paying taxes and NI entitle you to a pension ? A persons contributions don’t pay for their pension they pay for the pensions of those entitled to a pension at the time the contribution is made.

We could argue all week about the mechanics of the pension contribution regime.

It is the spite deployed by Ian that matters most to me in the Forum context.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Since when did paying taxes and NI entitle you to a pension ? A persons contributions don’t pay for their pension they pay for the pensions of those entitled to a pension at the time the contribution is made.

I don't think he understands this at all. Pension payments and the care system is funded out of current taxation, there is no magic pot of money paid into by those in their pre-pension years.

The irony here is that a considerable number of the generation I am citing have defined benefit or final salary pensions and, as a result, are in far better financial position than the generations that followed.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

We could argue all week about the mechanics of the pension contribution regime.

It is the spite deployed by Ian that matters most to me in the Forum context.

We could, but it would be pointless as I’m right.

I think Ian has a point to a degree a percentage of those who have lived a significant period of their lives have made a decision that will significantly those who have many many more years to live.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-votes-by-age/

[ianch99]

I am surprised by the number of snowflakes (I think that is the correct term to use on this forum) that are offending by contrary opinions. It is the sort of thing forums do or am I missing something?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I don't think he understands this at all. Pension payments and the care system is funded out of current taxation, there is no magic pot of money paid into by those in their pre-pension years.

The irony here is that a considerable number of the generation I am citing have defined benefit or final salary pensions and, as a result, are in far better financial position than the generations that followed.

Not forgetting either

A. Being able to afford to buy a house
B. Being in a place where good quality affordable social housing was available

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

We could, but it would be pointless as I’m right.

I think Ian has a point to a degree a percentage of those who have lived a significant period of their lives have made a decision that will significantly those who have many many more years to live.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-votes-by-age/

Yes but I am being more specific than this: I am saying that the majority of the older generations deliberately voted to disenfranchise their children/grandchildren knowing that this would be counter to their wishes and interests.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes but I am being more specific than this: I am saying that the majority of the older generations deliberately voted to disenfranchise their children/grandchildren knowing that this would be counter to their wishes and interests.

I dont think I agree with that, I think it was more that there was zero consideration whatsoever to the younger generations which on balance I think is worse.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I dont think I agree with that, I think it was more that there was zero consideration whatsoever to the younger generations which on balance I think is worse.

You have a point. Maybe a mixture of ignorance and self-obsession.

[GrimUpNorth]

I think what we've learned here is it's OK to have a strong opinion about something (anything) as long as it typed in blue.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I think what we've learned here is it's OK to have a strong opinion about something (anything) as long as it typed in blue.

You spelt delusional wrong

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes but I am being more specific than this: I am saying that the majority of the older generations deliberately voted to disenfranchise their children/grandchildren knowing that this would be counter to their wishes and interests.

That's wildly ridiculous. Are you seriously suggesting that Mr or Mrs Old Person thought to themselves: "I'm going to vote Leave to deliberately disenfranchise my children/grandchildren"? Seriously?

Btw, the younger generation are not strong on politics and history and did not know how Germany rigged the Euro and how France rigged the farming regulations.


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Originally Posted by ianch99

You have a point. Maybe a mixture of ignorance and self-obsession.

Ignorance? It is the younger generation that is ignorant.
It seems now also, certain Remainers.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes but I am being more specific than this: I am saying that the majority of the older generations deliberately voted to disenfranchise their children/grandchildren

What a load of tripe.

I’ve worked, and am working, to do the exact opposite, i’m working to give my kids a better start than i had.

As do all parents.

If you think the way you do, I can only assume you have no children.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I dont think I agree with that, I think it was more that there was zero consideration whatsoever to the younger generations which on balance I think is worse.

I suspect a kinder interpretation would be that they could not know precisely what they were voting for as there was no deal to vote on, just a concept.

Or that the grifters informed them there would no downsides, only upsides.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

If you think the way you do, I can only assume you have no children.

Ummh, this particular side-debate arose due to Ian's son's career being impeded by Brexit.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Ummh, this particular side-debate arose due to Ian's son's career being impeded by Brexit.

I remember it being Jonbxx

Originally Posted by jonbxx

10 years to realise the benefits of Brexit is a bit late for my 18 year kid who wanted to get a summer job in Spain to reinforce her Spanish A-level she will have finished by then. It seems virtually impossible to get hotel animation jobs without an EU passport unfortunately.

It’s a shame as she was really enthusiastic about doing this before university and it would have been a great experience but there you go. She can enjoy some sovereignty instead

But no matter, Ian is obviously part of the problem then, screwing his kids future, by funding his life so far……..