Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

So there isn't any fruit being picked and used? same old same old from you, Andrew.

Like Pritti Patel, your calculator has let you down again.

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Sure, but any delays would have been shorter if more staff had done their duty and turned up.

[Mad Max]

Ah, an unforeseen technical incident, how convenient.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Ah, an unforeseen technical incident, how convenient.

And now Eurotunnekl has joined in saying the "problem" was minor and had no bearing on the staff not turning-up.

[Sephiroth]

I see no blame toward thr French. Shit happens.

[ianch99]

Just get used to the permanent increase in processing times esp. in peak periods. All part of the plan ..

When you think of Brexit or when someone points out that Brexit is the cause of X or Y, never assume that it is the cause of the issue, always conclude that is forms a significant part, sometimes the major part, of the cause and you won't go far wrong.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Just get used to the permanent increase in processing times esp. in peak periods. All part of the plan ..

When you think of Brexit or when someone points out that Brexit is the cause of X or Y, never assume that it is the cause of the issue, always conclude that is forms a significant part, sometimes the major part, of the cause and you won't go far wrong.

Ian, you shouldn't always come back to Brexit for this sort of problem.

It is definitely true that since we became a sovereign nation and thus not part of the free movement regime, there are passport formalities that are slightly more onerous than they were before (you always had to show your passport).

There's more to Brexit than the Dover-Calais route.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Ian, you shouldn't always come back to Brexit for this sort of problem.

It is definitely true that since we became a sovereign nation and thus not part of the free movement regime, there are passport formalities that are slightly more onerous than they were before (you always had to show your passport).

There's more to Brexit than the Dover-Calais route.

Seph, you miss my point. Everywhere you see problems, you will very likely see a significant Brexit contribution. This is the serious point here: this degradation of our country's ability to function in so many sectors was wilfully misrepresented.

The prime movers of the project were driven by the promise of wealth & profit. Not for us as a whole but for the small elite that control the disproportionate amount of power & influence. This is the real tragedy here.

So depressing. You cannot feed "sovereignty" to your kids or use it to heat your home. The sinister backers in the shadows literally stole the birth right of a generation. No one born in this millennium voted for this yet here they are, having to suck it up.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Seph, you miss my point. Everywhere you see problems, you will very likely see a significant Brexit contribution. This is the serious point here: this degradation of our country's ability to function in so many sectors was wilfully misrepresented.

The prime movers of the project were driven by the promise of wealth & profit. Not for us as a whole but for the small elite that control the disproportionate amount of power & influence. This is the real tragedy here.

So depressing. You cannot feed "sovereignty" to your kids or use it to heat your home. The sinister backers in the shadows literally stole the birth right of a generation. No one born in this millennium voted for this yet here they are, having to suck it up.

It's clear that we are of polar opposite views.

My assertion is that "business" will always make the most of opportunities that are available. What is wrong right now is that the stupid government is not easing the way for business.

As to the remarks I've highlighted, neither can membership of the EU be used to "heat your home"; I suspect that at least three EU countries won't be fully able to heat their homes next winter.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Seph, you miss my point. Everywhere you see problems, you will very likely see a significant Brexit contribution. This is the serious point here: this degradation of our country's ability to function in so many sectors was wilfully misrepresented.

The prime movers of the project were driven by the promise of wealth & profit. Not for us as a whole but for the small elite that control the disproportionate amount of power & influence. This is the real tragedy here.

So depressing. You cannot feed "sovereignty" to your kids or use it to heat your home. The sinister backers in the shadows literally stole the birth right of a generation. No one born in this millennium voted for this yet here they are, having to suck it up.

Spot on Ian, as the 5th or 6th wealthiest country in the world we are going to have a significant proportion of the population struggling with a heat vs eat (or neither) conundrum this winter. We're turning in to a third world country under this dreadful governments woeful decisions.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Spot on Ian, as the 5th or 6th wealthiest country in the world we are going to have a significant proportion of the population struggling with a heat vs eat (or neither) conundrum this winter. We're turning in to a third world country under this dreadful governments woeful decisions.

Yes - maybe not third world, but certainly the Guvmin's been woeful.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes - maybe not third world, but certainly the Guvmin's been woeful.

Thing is Seph I'd put Bojos and others (e.g. Liz Truss) evangelical pursuit of Brexit purely for personal gain and contrary to their well documented previous stance on the subject to be the worst of all their horrendous "achievements".

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[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by daveeb

Thing is Seph I'd put Bojos and others (e.g. Liz Truss) evangelical pursuit of Brexit purely for personal gain and contrary to their well documented previous stance on the subject to be the worst of all their horrendous "achievements".

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I'm sure that both Boris & Truss sniffed the wind 6 or so years ago and chose Leave as part of their career progression plan. So there we agree.

However, I still support Brexit for sovereignty reasons and merely wants a government that can get British business into gear.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I see no blame toward thr French.

Seph, I suspect your account has been hacked.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I'm sure that both Boris & Truss sniffed the wind 6 or so years ago and chose Leave as part of their career progression plan. So there we agree.

However, I still support Brexit for sovereignty reasons and merely wants a government that can get British business into gear.

As we've seen at Dover, British business is being taken out of gear with increased delays and red tape. The UK's problem of productivity is being worsened not improved.

At the same time, whilst Britain fights over who will lead the country, the EU is moving ahead to make its financial services sector more competitive by nicking our ideas.