21-06-2021, 23:38
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
After stating in April that this current lockdown will be the last..........oh look.
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You can never exclude that there will be some new disease, some new horror that we simply haven't budgeted for or accounted for
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This has always been the case, 2020 being an example.
No one "budgeted for or accounted for" the current covid 19.
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23-06-2021, 00:22
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Re: Coronavirus
The link between infections and hospitalisation/ deaths has demonstrably been broken
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
The government arbitrarily raise the capacity allowed at Wembley, after a threat by UEFA to move the a final elsewhere.
Not even going to mention the debacle with the England/Scotland players.
It is wholly evident to anyone with a half a brain that since March, at least, any decisions on lockdown restrictions have had sod all to do with ‘science”.
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23-06-2021, 10:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
The link between infections and hospitalisation/ deaths has demonstrably been broken
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
The government arbitrarily raise the capacity allowed at Wembley, after a threat by UEFA to move the a final elsewhere.
Not even going to mention the debacle with the England/Scotland players.
It is wholly evident to anyone with a half a brain that since March, at least, any decisions on lockdown restrictions have had sod all to do with ‘science”.
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Breaking the link between cases and hospitalisations isn’t to say there’s no link, or that there’s no risk to NHS capacity, or risk to the health of the unvaccinated/part vaccinated.
I thought you’d be in favour of raising the capacity at Wembley after all it’s a step in the right direction?
I’ll ignore the half a brain comment. It’s been wholly evident since last March that your analysis on this matter is somewhat lacking. Given your conspiracy theory that it’s not grounded in science what’s the end game? Who benefits? Are other Governments in on it too (Israel/USA)?
What happens on July 19? Do they fob us off with more excuses?
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Hang on I've just actually read that data source hospitalisations and deaths are increasing faster than cases in the last 7 days.
Pierre it's helpful to your arguments to use data sources that actually support them.
Otherwise we are back at you think it's acceptable risk for others to take.
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23-06-2021, 11:02
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Re: Coronavirus
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Pierre it's helpful to your arguments to use data sources that actually support them.
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The link I posted were the official government stats from yesterday, actually the stats from the same day when I posted it.
The recorded positive cases yesterday were 11,625, 27 deaths recorded and 225 admitted to hospital.
The last time positive cases were at that level was around 17th Feb when there were 11,561 positive cases, 429 deaths and 1,375 admitted to hospital.
the divergence of positive cases against deaths and hospitilisation is there to see. I'm not saying cases are not rising but they're not rising anywhere near to troubling the health service, and given the continuation of the vaccine program they are unlikely to. In addition as was proven several pages ago in this thread, deaths and hosptilisations still continue to be in the much older and susceptible age bracket.
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23-06-2021, 11:23
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Re: Coronavirus
You are incorrectly assuming that cases, hospitalisations and deaths all relate to infections that took place at the same time.
Hospitalisations and deaths for a given case number will be higher on the down side of a curve (as in the weeks immediately preceding infections will be higher) than on the up side (where the weeks earlier cases will be lower).
The equivalent numbers for 30 September on the upward curve 12,556, 452 and 58. So while it demonstrates there is an improvement it's not as stark as using the February figures. It certainly doesn't back up the statement that decisions on restrictions since March aren't grounded in science.
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23-06-2021, 12:28
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Re: Coronavirus
And now the media are reporting 'Delta Pus' variant. Which basically sounds like a US airline rewards programme
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...sibly-24378326
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23-06-2021, 21:34
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Re: Coronavirus
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23-06-2021, 21:39
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Re: Coronavirus
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23-06-2021, 23:28
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Re: Coronavirus
Is it grass at Wembley or a fancy plastic pitch?
Comedy gold from Baker here:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...back-to-august
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If Boris Johnson doesn’t let us take personal and collective responsibility by trusting the vaccines imminently, we face a hollow and haunted society without much that makes life worth living, like travel and tourism.
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I look forward to his forthcoming support of raising the living wage and extending paid annual leave so more people can go in more foreign holidays. After all life isn’t worth living without them.
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24-06-2021, 02:34
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Re: Coronavirus
Im pretty sure 28 days annual leave is enough for anyone to go on holiday.
He didnt actually say foreign holidays, but even if he had, none of the out of work people around here ever seemed to have much trouble nipping over to Spain, especially as they could often do it cheaper than going on holiday in the UK.
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24-06-2021, 08:36
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Re: Coronavirus
It is weird that people seem to only classify going abroad as a 'holiday" and overlook the country on their doorstep. Going abroad just isn't worth all the hassle at the moment. I'm off to sunny Wales if they let me in We've the prettiest coastline in the world.
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24-06-2021, 08:48
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Re: Coronavirus
Where is the sunny part of Wales?
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24-06-2021, 08:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Where is the sunny part of Wales?
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24-06-2021, 08:57
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Re: Coronavirus
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Where is the sunny part of Wales?
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The bit I'm going to of course OB
The weather isn't everything, unless you get no further than your sun lounger/bar and stray no further than your all you can eat and drink covid infested hotel. No Brit would want to waste their holiday like that surely...
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24-06-2021, 10:52
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Re: Coronavirus
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Where is the sunny part of Wales?
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Conwy was sunny last September, when we had a break there
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