The Chronicles of Rishi

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You only need to look at Labour's pool of talent to see the next 5 years will be as big a dumpster fire as the last 5.

It makes no difference, UK politics is in the toilet, and there's no alternative.

They won't be, they're not the same and even taking into account their incompetence there are degrees of separation between the parties and those degress over time will be for the betterment of the country and not for the betterment of chums and donors at the expense of everyone else

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No it isn't.

You must think the Speaker Islamophobic then, as it was he that threw out parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation to the way MPs might vote.

He didn’t do that, he made an arse of procedures then blamed “extremists” some hours later. This was his third explanation on the day.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

He didn’t do that, he made an arse of procedures then blamed “extremists” some hours later. This was his third explanation on the day.

either way, my point stands.

Originally Posted by Russ

Are any of the politicians you remember still around now?

From 1979 ? Unlikely, unless they were very young. **

Originally Posted by Russ

Maybe at least give Labour an opportunity to mess things up first before judging what nobody yet knows.

Well, as we all know, they'll get that opportunity soon enough.


** Edit.
Apparently there are two ;
Barry Sheerman (Lab) Elected 1979.
Sir Peter Bottomley (Con) Elected 1975.
In both cases, their party lost the election.
To clarify, I do not remember either of them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

either way, my point stands.

How can your point still stand if the Speaker did not throw out Parliamentary procedure because of the risk of an Islamist retaliation?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But the threat to our democracy is entirely rational and we are witnessing before our eyes.

On this we agree. The Tory party with it's recent voting manipulations, restriction in freedom to protest, etc. is exactly that.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How is what you’ve said a threat to our government ? Please show your working out

Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.

Pffffffft all over the media is not truth as well you know.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Completely agree, let's hope we don't have anymore white supremacists allowed to get close enough to an MP to murder them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.

Yup, all those people who attack our judges, teachers, civil servants and universities are indeed the baying mob.

[jfman]

The biggest threat to the democratic institutions to this country is the major political parties in the pockets of big business and, seemingly, the pro-Israel lobby.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Unless you're just playing with the forum, you would understand that Hoyle's words about protecting the personal safety of MPs and their families.

Of course what I'm also saying that the baying mob is attacking our democratic institutions and that's all over the media.

Indeed…

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Originally Posted by jfman

The biggest threat to the democratic institutions to this country is the major political parties in the pockets of big business and, seemingly, the pro-Israel lobby.

Ah yes, Jews lurking in the shadows … I swear you can’t possibly tone-check this stuff before you hit ‘reply’ …

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Ah yes, Jews lurking in the shadows … I swear you can’t possibly tone-check this stuff before you hit ‘reply’ …

I didn’t say Jews - mainly because that’s not what I mean as almost everyone knows.

It’s a helpful conflation for others to use - much as criticism of Israel gets routinely dismissed as antisemitism regardless of the facts.

Are you denying the existence of a pro-Israel lobby in the UK that actively campaigns to push policy initiatives on both major political parties that further the cause and interests of the Israeli state?

It's certainly a far more credible proposition than the Islamophobic slurs being banded around without evidence.

Originally Posted by jfman

I didn’t say Jews - mainly because that’s not what I mean as almost everyone knows.

It’s a helpful conflation for others to use - much as criticism of Israel gets routinely dismissed as antisemitism regardless of the facts.

Are you denying the existence of a pro-Israel lobby in the UK that actively campaigns to push policy initiatives on both major political parties that further the cause and interests of the Israeli state?

It's certainly a far more credible proposition than the Islamophobic slurs being banded around without evidence.

Every cause has a lobby, but for any political party to be actually in the pocket of one of them is a serious enough charge. And, given Europe’s long and dark association with antisemitism and the tropes that come with it, accusing anyone of being in the pocket of an Israeli lobby is an extremely serious charge whose historical resonances can’t easily be deflected with careful semantics.