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Old 16-07-2022, 12:13   #1696
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True but when it comes to social media, kids are particularly vulnerable and online bullying has ended in suicides.
Real life bullying is much more worrying because it's literally in your face.Online bullying can at least be switched off and ignored.For the real life bullied it's literally in your face ALL the time.Trust me as a teacher I understand this.Mind it would help if parents got REALLY,really nosy about their child's online life.Both the bullied and the bully's families should be responsible online or off.Sadly too many parents don't want to invade their child's privacy.Nuts to that.Take responsibility as a parent and be nosy.
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The internet has made bullying easier to do and made it more prevalent.

My past posts have made it clear that this legislation involves more than just Twitter & facebook.
The words babies and bathwater spring to mind.
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Old 16-07-2022, 21:48   #1698
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I don't get bullied on face book twitter or any other social media site because i'm not signed up to any of them ,you should try it.
I've never been bullied on those sites either. People should be able to use them though if they want to, without fear of bullying.

For young people these days, not joining whichever is the most 'in' social media site would lead to social exclusion & isolation. It's where they arrange parties, meet ups etc.

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Real life bullying is much more worrying because it's literally in your face.Online bullying can at least be switched off and ignored.For the real life bullied it's literally in your face ALL the time.Trust me as a teacher I understand this.Mind it would help if parents got REALLY,really nosy about their child's online life.Both the bullied and the bully's families should be responsible online or off.Sadly too many parents don't want to invade their child's privacy.Nuts to that.Take responsibility as a parent and be nosy.
These days, children have to face both online and real life bullying. In the past they could at least have some respite in the evenings, weekends and school holidays, but now they can be targeted 24/7.

I strongly agree that parents should be regularly checking their children's devices, not only for online bullying, but for other reasons such as being scammed, preyed upon by paedophiles or hebophiles etc.
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Old 16-07-2022, 23:06   #1699
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

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These days, children have to face both online and real life bullying. In the past they could at least have some respite in the evenings, weekends and school holidays, but now they can be targeted 24/7.
Nonsense, every electronic device has an off switch. Every site account has a logout function.
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Nonsense, every electronic device has an off switch. Every site account has a logout function.
Indeed, just switch it off
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I've never been bullied on those sites either. People should be able to use them though if they want to, without fear of bullying.

For young people these days, not joining whichever is the most 'in' social media site would lead to social exclusion & isolation. It's where they arrange parties, meet ups etc.

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These days, children have to face both online and real life bullying. In the past they could at least have some respite in the evenings, weekends and school holidays, but now they can be targeted 24/7.

I strongly agree that parents should be regularly checking their children's devices, not only for online bullying, but for other reasons such as being scammed, preyed upon by paedophiles or hebophiles etc.
JUST SWITCH IT OFF!Get the children OFF the internet.
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JUST SWITCH IT OFF!Get the children OFF the internet.
That will not fit in with those who want to control the internet for everyone in line with there narrative. It's similar to "Do as i say not how you want"
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Old 17-07-2022, 18:37   #1703
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

That's an oversimplification because it's a totally different ball game these days.

Children regard social media as essential and will not come off it. It would also mean that they were socially alienated and out of the loop.

In addition, saying that people should come off it means that the trolls will have succeeded in their aim.

If someone were to constantly threaten/insult you IRL everytime you walked past their house, the solution would be to have them dealt with rather than tell the recipient to wear ear plugs or take another route.
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That's an oversimplification because it's a totally different ball game these days.

Children regard social media as essential and will not come off it. It would also mean that they were socially alienated and out of the loop.

In addition, saying that people should come off it means that the trolls will have succeeded in their aim.

If someone were to constantly threaten/insult you IRL everytime you walked past their house, the solution would be to have them dealt with rather than tell the recipient to wear ear plugs or take another route.
I think an awful lot of people will be upset if this legislation led to the closure of discussion groups altogether because everyone became scared of saying anything. The people behind the legislation may mean well, but the impact of this will be devastating.

I think the message may at last be getting through and Im picking up hints that it may be ditched or completely reviewed by the new PM.
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Old 17-07-2022, 20:17   #1705
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I think an awful lot of people will be upset if this legislation led to the closure of discussion groups altogether because everyone became scared of saying anything. The people behind the legislation may mean well, but the impact of this will be devastating.

I think the message may at last be getting through and Im picking up hints that it may be ditched or completely reviewed by the new PM.
Which "new PM", and what "hints", please?
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If someone were to constantly threaten/insult you IRL everytime you walked past their house, the solution would be to have them dealt with rather than tell the recipient to wear ear plugs or take another route.
The problem is, the solution for that scenario is exactly the one you dismiss.

Now, if they jumped over the fence and punched you, then they should be dealt with.

But if theyre just shouting obscenities you can ignore it. Depending on what is being shouted, and at what time. There are already laws in place that can be used to deal with it.

Much the same as with this legislation, there are already laws in existence that can deal with much of it.
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If someone were to constantly threaten/insult you IRL everytime you walked past their house, the solution would be to have them dealt with rather than tell the recipient to wear ear plugs or take another route.
Ear plugs and different routes would both be perfectly valid solutions.
What you are suggesting (with this act) is cut off their legs so they cant walk past the house.
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The problem is, the solution for that scenario is exactly the one you dismiss.

Now, if they jumped over the fence and punched you, then they should be dealt with.

But if they’re just shouting obscenities you can ignore it. Depending on what is being shouted, and at what time. There are already laws in place that can be used to deal with it.

Much the same as with this legislation, there are already laws in existence that can deal with much of it.
There is and this legislation will remain in place as a last resort, but this new legislation would, amongst other things, make things much easier to deal with, particularly for those without legal advice and assistance because they are unable to afford it.

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Ear plugs and different routes would both be perfectly valid solutions.
What you are suggesting (with this act) is cut off their legs so they cant walk past the house.
People behaving in an inappropriate manner should be dealt with. The victim should not be expected to put up with it, let alone be required to take any steps to mitigate the behaviour.

Your solution would, for example, mean that the perpetrator of the homophobic language that Maggys daughter has had to endure (if it were to take place on the unternet) to face no action and continue to do it.

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JUST SWITCH IT OFF!Get the children OFF the internet.
Theres not a chance that this will happen for the reasons i've already outlined. In fact, with the advent of the Metaverse, chat rooms, social media, forums etc are likely to be replaced by it and usage of the internet is expected to rise, with most young people spending a huge proportion of their lives online.

Sadly, trolling, sexual abuse, paedophilic activity etc is already rearing it's ugly head on the Metaverse, so legislation is required to keep people safe.
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Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.

Ofcom have produced some podcasts that aim to educate people about online trolling:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre...a-woman-online
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There is and this legislation will remain in place as a last resort, but this new legislation would, amongst other things, make things much easier to deal with, particularly for those without legal advice and assistance because they are unable to afford it.

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People behaving in an inappropriate manner should be dealt with. The victim should not be expected to put up with it, let alone be required to take any steps to mitigate the behaviour.

Your solution would, for example, mean that the perpetrator of the homophobic language that Maggys daughter has had to endure (if it were to take place on the unternet) to face no action and continue to do it.

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Theres not a chance that this will happen for the reasons i've already outlined. In fact, with the advent of the Metaverse, chat rooms, social media, forums etc are likely to be replaced by it and usage of the internet is expected to rise, with most young people spending a huge proportion of their lives online.

Sadly, trolling, sexual abuse, paedophilic activity etc is already rearing it's ugly head on the Metaverse, so legislation is required to keep people safe.
No reason to allow parents to abdicate their responsibilities.I didn't as a parent and teacher.Constantly cutting back on other people's freedoms to express themselves just means that they will find newer and more underhand means to allow their viewpoint out into the world.Better to keep them under observation than hiding away from view.Stop thinking you can nanny the universe.

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Ofcom have produced some podcasts that aim to educate people about online trolling:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/news-centre...a-woman-online
I already know all that.I'm a woman on the internet and I'm more than capable of dealing with all that.I DON'T need protecting.
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