Police to get tough on internet trolls. - Page 108

Jaymoss · 13-06-2022, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Nothing wrong with hating anything or anyone, if that’s how you feel about it. It’s subjective so cannot be controlled or stopped.

Hate is always wrong. Dislike by all means but hate not me. I might say I hate something in anger but never actually do hate

**Paul** · 13-06-2022, 22:09

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Right now I hate Putin for what he's needlessly doing and putting people through.

You 'hate' someone you have never met, or interacted with in any way ?

Pierre · 13-06-2022, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I might say I hate something in anger but never actually do hate

What’s the difference? I’m not actually sure what that means.

What’s the difference between saying hate and doing hate?

RichardCoulter · 14-06-2022, 01:55

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That happens all the time on this forum, but we have all managed to survive it. That doesn’t make it right, but it does give us an insight on who we are dealing with.

This is nothing more than a woke attempt to exclude people and I am disappointed that the Conservative government is actually taking this woke nonsense seriously.

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Maybe we should have a list of all those with a disability that leads to hurt, misinterpretation and OTT reactions. Then we could just put them all on ‘ignore’ and everyone would be happy.

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Well, if you don’t know by now, Hugh, I really wouldn’t worry about it (pat, pat).

The bill has cross party support, it's only being put through via the Conservatives because they happen to be in power at the moment.

Unilaterally excluding or ignoring disabled people is morally questionable and could have legal consequences.

The aim is to be inclusive and for everyone to treat each other with kindness and respect, both on and offline.

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Originally Posted by Paul

You 'hate' someone you have never met, or interacted with in any way ?

Yes, it's obviously not always neccessary to meet someone to hate them, what they stand for and what they are all about, particularly in extreme cases. Are you suggesting that this individual is not worthy of hatred for what he's done/is doing?

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A Womans Hour podcast about the online harrassment/abuse that women are routinely exposed to. They don't believe that the Online Safety Bill goes far enough to protect women:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0017cfy

**Paul** · 14-06-2022, 02:28

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The aim is to be inclusive and for everyone to treat each other with kindness and respect, both on and offline.

Ummm, you were saying ....

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Yes, it's obviously not always neccessary to meet someone to hate them.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Are you suggesting that this individual is not worthy of hatred for what he's done/is doing?

Yes. I've never met the guy, so how can I "hate" him.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

A Womans Hour podcast about the online harrassment/abuse that women are routinely exposed to. They don't believe that the Online Safety Bill goes far enough to protect women:

What a surprise, becasue no one else except women ever get harrassed.

peanut · 14-06-2022, 07:43

So I responded to someone's (clearly) stupid rant on social media yesterday, basically gave an opinion which was totally backed up with facts. There was no malice, no disrespect etc towards the person.

Then came the responses from the 'You okay hun' crowd.... Just because I didn't agree with the rant I was flamed with just about every insult going. Nothing I said warranted any kind of those insults or the abuse, but just because I didn't agree it seems fair game to be open to abuse. The point is that's just the mentality of crowd followers these days, nothing will change this regardless of any online laws that come in.

OLD BOY · 14-06-2022, 08:09

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The bill has cross party support, it's only being put through via the Conservatives because they happen to be in power at the moment.

Unilaterally excluding or ignoring disabled people is morally questionable and could have legal consequences.

The aim is to be inclusive and for everyone to treat each other with kindness and respect, both on and offline.

I think you have misinterpreted what I said. My view was:

“Maybe we should have a list of all those with a disability that leads to hurt, misinterpretation and OTT reactions. Then we could just put them all on ‘ignore’ and everyone would be happy.”

I was not saying that everyone with a disability could be put on ignore, just those who appeared to be hypersensitive and obsessive with whom you could not have a sensible and adult conversation without being accused of stuff you didn’t say or mean.

It’s just not worth discussing anything with some people, who are more trouble than they are worth.

I’m pretty sure I remember you saying something about putting people on ignore yourself in the past.

**Maggy** · 14-06-2022, 09:16

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Originally Posted by peanut

So I responded to someone's (clearly) stupid rant on social media yesterday, basically gave an opinion which was totally backed up with facts. There was no malice, no disrespect etc towards the person.

Then came the responses from the 'You okay hun' crowd.... Just because I didn't agree with the rant I was flamed with just about every insult going. Nothing I said warranted any kind of those insults or the abuse, but just because I didn't agree it seems fair game to be open to abuse. The point is that's just the mentality of crowd followers these days, nothing will change this regardless of any online laws that come in.

I stay out of those 'discussions' mainly because they aren't discussions.

RichardCoulter · 14-06-2022, 21:16

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Originally Posted by Paul

Ummm, you were saying ....

Yes. I've never met the guy, so how can I "hate" him.

What a surprise, becasue no one else except women ever get harrassed.

Because you are aware of what he's done to all those innocent people! Hitler died before I was born, but I still hate him and the things that he did.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

What’s the difference? I’m not actually sure what that means.

What’s the difference between saying hate and doing hate?

People do tend to use the term inappropriately. Someone might say that they hate bananas, but in reality they mean they dislike them.

It's the same with the phrase "I'm going to kill you", people don't tend to mean this literally, though you never know. I know of a man who said in the pub that he was going to kill his wife when he got home and actually did.

Pierre · 14-06-2022, 21:16

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Because you are aware of what he's done to all those innocent people! Hitler died before I was born, but I still hate him and the things that he did.

I don’t hate Hitler, far from it, I find him a very interesting person and worthy of study.

What he and his cohort did was of course reprehensible, but he is a figure of history and removed from me by several degrees of magnitude, so I don’t hate him.

If I was of Jewish heritage with family in the holocaust, I’m sure I’d think differently.

Mr K · 14-06-2022, 21:23

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t hate Hitler, far from it, I find him a very interesting person and worthy of study.

What he and his cohort did was of course reprehensible, but he is a figure of history and removed from me by several degrees of magnitude, so I don’t hate him.

If I was of Jewish heritage with family in the holocaust, I’m sure I’d think differently.

He wasn't a bad artist, a vegetarian and liked dogs.

Still an evil ******* though.

**Paul** · 14-06-2022, 22:15

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Because you are aware of what he's done to all those innocent people!

So I should hate someone I dont know, based on what (Im told) they have done to other people that I also dont know ?

Wow ....

RichardCoulter · 14-06-2022, 23:16

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Originally Posted by Paul

So I should hate someone I dont know, based on what (Im told) they have done to other people that I also dont know ?

Wow ....

Don't you believe that the holocaust took place?

Are you not able to have empathy for people just because you've never met them?

**Paul** · 14-06-2022, 23:44

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Don't you believe that the holocaust took place?

What has that got to do with anything

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Are you not able to have empathy for people just because you've never met them?

Not really, no.

RichardCoulter · 16-06-2022, 14:07

Just been reading about Patrick McDonagh, a 12 year old boy, who has sadly taken his own life after being bullied on TikTok. This has to stop.

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Originally Posted by Paul

What has that got to do with anything

I just wondered after you said it would be based on what you'd been told that Hitler had done to other people. I wondered whether you thought that, because of this, there was a possibility that the accounts of the holocaust were false.