Britain outside the EU

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes, they are talking about UK honey. Even the Express is fessing up: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17...city-test-fail

I guess the truth hurts too much for some.

Again, what "truth" ?

You have completely failed to explain how this is specifically the fault of "brexit".

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Paul

Again, what "truth" ?

You have completely failed to explain how this is specifically the fault of "brexit".

I think you have completely failed to understand the point that when in the EU, the products sold into the Single Market have to conform to predefined food quality standards and that, when having left as a third country, that requirement lapses and the third country in question, the UK, has the ability to diverge from the previously mandated standards & safeguards.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Whatever ... I guess you are too far down the rabbit hole.

Some other examples of food standard degradation, coming soon to a Waitrose near you!

- food made from gene-edited crops
- hormone beef & pork from Australia and soon from Canada & Mexico

and, don't forget, don't drink the water!

You've lost the argument here and are now trying to hide behind other examples of changes ,to food standards.

You were so absolutely sure that the "watered down" UK food standards were the cause of honey exported to the EU from the UK being adulterated.

That's been proved wrong and in your embarrassment and arrogance, you're pivoting on other changes that have nothing to do with the hiney thing on which you were so strident.

However, a separate debate on food standards wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think you have completely failed to understand the point that when in the EU, the products sold into the Single Market have to conform to predefined food quality standards and that, when having left as a third country, that requirement lapses and the third country in question, the UK, has the ability to diverge from the previously mandated standards & safeguards.

Given that our ability to set our own standards was one of the benefits of Brexit for many of us who voted for it, I think it’s fair to say this isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

The whole point of repatriating these powers is that we can decide what works for us and our producers and consumers, rather than the lobbying of major corporate interests that often lurk behind the ‘safety’ decisions taken by the EU. And if we decide HMG has got it wrong, we can vote accordingly. Any vote for an MEP is so hopelessly diluted by the sheer size of the Strasbourg assembly it was never more than a fig leaf for the undemocratic nature of the beast.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You've lost the argument here and are now trying to hide behind other examples of changes ,to food standards.

You were so absolutely sure that the "watered down" UK food standards were the cause of honey exported to the EU from the UK being adulterated.

That's been proved wrong and in your embarrassment and arrogance, you're pivoting on other changes that have nothing to do with the hiney thing on which you were so strident.

However, a separate debate on food standards wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

WTF are you talking about? You have proved nothing. You have totally lost it. The articles I cited stated that 100% of honey imported from the UK is adulterated with cheap sugar syrup, against EU regulations.

From: https://www.theguardian.com/food/202...henticity-test

The report last Thursday by the JRC said honey imported from the UK had a suspicion rate of 100% and “this could be the result of honey produced in other countries and further processed in the UK before its re-export to the EU”.

If you literally cannot read then what hope is there trying to explain things to you.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Given that our ability to set our own standards was one of the benefits of Brexit for many of us who voted for it, I think it’s fair to say this isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

The whole point of repatriating these powers is that we can decide what works for us and our producers and consumers, rather than the lobbying of major corporate interests that often lurk behind the ‘safety’ decisions taken by the EU. And if we decide HMG has got it wrong, we can vote accordingly. Any vote for an MEP is so hopelessly diluted by the sheer size of the Strasbourg assembly it was never more than a fig leaf for the undemocratic nature of the beast.

Of course, for those who were voting for the pure Brexit where the tenets of faith were to be achieved at any cost, that is all well & good. However that is not what was sold. The goal of deregulation at the expense of the consumer with no retention of standards may be what you desire but the nation was sold the opposite. The nation was sold and promised sunlit uplands. It was not sold 4% loss in GBP, shit in the rivers, loss of NHS staff, and so on, and so on.

Yet when people point out the scale of the con carried out upon the nation, either it isn't happening or it is, but it's fine as this is the religion we now "subscribe" to. Also, yet again, you trot out "oh we can vote them out if we don't like it" BS. We can't "vote out" the damage done to this country, the systemic damage across all sectors and the broken country.

It is the disingenuity that I despise the most. The lack of honesty and the attempt to gaslight people into pretending there is no damage and even if there was, it was clearly pointed out, by Vote leave, as what was going to happen.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

WTF are you talking about? You have proved nothing. You have totally lost it. The articles I cited stated that 100% of honey imported from the UK is adulterated with cheap sugar syrup, against EU regulations.

From: https://www.theguardian.com/food/202...henticity-test



If you literally cannot read then what hope is there trying to explain things to you.

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Of course, for those who were voting for the pure Brexit where the tenets of faith were to be achieved at any cost, that is all well & good. However that is not what was sold. The goal of deregulation at the expense of the consumer with no retention of standards may be what you desire but the nation was sold the opposite. The nation was sold and promised sunlit uplands. It was not sold 4% loss in GBP, shit in the rivers, loss of NHS staff, and so on, and so on.

Yet when people point out the scale of the con carried out upon the nation, either it isn't happening or it is, but it's fine as this is the religion we now "subscribe" to. Also, yet again, you trot out "oh we can vote them out if we don't like it" BS. We can't "vote out" the damage done to this country, the systemic damage across all sectors and the broken country.

It is the disingenuity that I despise the most. The lack of honesty and the attempt to gaslight people into pretending there is no damage and even if there was, it was clearly pointed out, by Vote leave, as what was going to happen.

Is the honey exported to the EU from the UK adulterated in the UK?

As for the "con carried out upon the nation", you're talking your usual claptrap.

You're just sore that your darling EU is no longer able to dictate our laws. As I've consistently said, British business will sort things out.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Is the honey exported to the EU from the UK adulterated in the UK?

As for the "con carried out upon the nation", you're talking your usual claptrap.

You're just sore that your darling EU is no longer able to dictate our laws. As I've consistently said, British business will sort things out.

AKA "just believe" and/or "sovereignty…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

AKA "just believe" and/or "sovereignty…

Do you think British business will sort it all out?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Do you think British business will sort it all out?

Small businesses have sorted it all out by not exporting to the EU. The growth of such companies is constrained compared to their EU counterparts. Their EU counterparts will be well placed to enter the UK market when they've grown in scale. The effect of this will nibble away at the country's GDP.

Meanwhile, the EU is doing well in financial services, science, electric cars and batteries. Evidently, Farage has proved to be Macron's useful idiot.

In terms of what's growing in the UK, it's MPs selling their influence and connections to whoever will cough up. Witness Hancock and Kwarteng's recent £10k a month offer to a fake foreign company. Due diligence, what due diligence?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Is the honey exported to the EU from the UK adulterated in the UK?

As for the "con carried out upon the nation", you're talking your usual claptrap.

You're just sore that your darling EU is no longer able to dictate our laws. As I've consistently said, British business will sort things out.

Wibble

[TheDaddy]

Saw a graphic of a poll in the guardian earlier, think it was done by King's College as part of a world values survey, basically it said we had much more faith in the Europe Union than we did in our own government or parliament, not surprised really, was surprised that it was 39%- 22% though, 22% had faith in our government and slightly less in Parliament, I'd like to make some witty comment about being shocked it's so high but it's quite tragic what's happened to the mother of all parliaments

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2310821.html

A leading Brexiteer has claimed that politicians in Northern Ireland who accept Rishi Sunak’s post-Brexit deal with the EU would be like Nazi collaborators.

Baroness Kate Hoey made the remarkable claim after an attempt by the DUP to block a key part of the revised Northern Ireland Protocol deal was heavily defeated in the Lords.

Peers rejected by 227 votes to 14 a motion to thwart regulations implementing the so-called Stormont brake, which enables politicians in Belfast to trigger a veto over new EU rules in the region.

Baroness Hoey – an ardent Brexit supporter and former Labour MP – argued politicians returning to Stormont under the “colony” of the EU would be like Nazi collaborators under the Vichy regime in wartime France.

The non-affiliated peer said: "There are people in Northern Ireland, leading politicians, who say, and it’s true, that Northern Ireland has now become a form of colony. The EU’s first kind of colony.”

“If Stormont goes back with the present Windsor Framework, they in fact would be almost like what happened during the war with the Vichy government, where all those MLAs [Members of the Legislative Assembly] would be collaborators with a kind of colonial government.”

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2310821.html

Crap like that is why we have so little faith in our parliament, it's so sad

[OLD BOY]

Just for a bit of balance, a little bit of news you guys would rather not hear.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1071111.html

[EXTRACT]

Rishi Sunak said “fantastic progress” has been made in talks on joining an Indo-Pacific free trade bloc, amid expectations that the UK could be welcomed into the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) imminently.

The Prime Minister said it was “a great benefit of Brexit” for the UK to be able to sign its own trade deals.

"Imminently"…

btw, we already have bilateral Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) with nine of the eleven countries (seven were rolled over from the EU agreements), and digital economy agreements with Singapore and Japan.

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/u...ade-agreement/

The International Agreements Committee’s report included a summary of the Government’s own modelling of the economic impact of accession. It said that the estimated increase in UK GDP in the long run was 0.08%.

Apparently, the Windsor Framework had an unintended benefit.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....c-bbd661e8b768

The closure of the CPTPP deal was assisted by the recent resolution of the row between the UK and EU over customs arrangements for Northern Ireland, British officials confirmed.

In particular, CPTPP members had raised fears that Britain’s threat to rip up the Northern Ireland protocol — now dropped by Sunak — could have set a precedent for future applicant countries to the bloc, notably China.