Britain outside the EU - Page 330

nashville · 20-03-2023, 14:47

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The flood of illegals across the channel will not reduce but at least it'll be easier to chuck the buggers out.

I agree

Itshim · 20-03-2023, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What deters me from purchasing an EV is the range and charging infrastructure. There is no Brexit dimension to my thinking on this.

The only person I know that USED to have one went back to gas for this very reason . Looking at my regularly used routes , there is not a hope in hell of me getting one anytime soon , no matter how much I am nagged.

**Damien** · 22-03-2023, 12:53

Looks like the DUP, ERG, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will vote against Sunak's deal. As usual nothing to help, nothing constructive, just egoistic politicians looking to grandstand.

It'll pass anyway even if there is a sizable Tory rebellion because Labour will vote for it but really frustrating.

**Hugh** · 22-03-2023, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like the DUP, ERG, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will vote against Sunak's deal. As usual nothing to help, nothing constructive, just egoistic politicians looking to grandstand.

It'll pass anyway even if there is a sizable Tory rebellion because Labour will vote for it but really frustrating.

I wonder if they’ll lose the Tory Whip?

Meanwhile…

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Johnson risks being remembered as 'pound shop Nigel Farage' over Brexit rebellion, warns minister

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...eland-12839897

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Boris Johnson risks being remembered as a "pound shop Nigel Farage" if he votes against Rishi Sunak's new deal for Northern Ireland, a senior Brexiteer has warned.

1andrew1 · 22-03-2023, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Damien

Looks like the DUP, ERG, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will vote against Sunak's deal. As usual nothing to help, nothing constructive, just egoistic politicians looking to grandstand.

It'll pass anyway even if there is a sizable Tory rebellion because Labour will vote for it but really frustrating.

DUP are doing it to stop Sinn Fein taking it power.
ERG are doing it because they can't accept that there are always trade-offs and that you can have your cake and eat it. They're the crowd who still believe in unicorns and that the EU needs us more than we need them.
Johnson and Truss are just jealous that a vaguely competent PM was able to get a better deal in a month than they could ever get during their stays in power.
The above all just show themselves up for the idiots that they are. Hopefully the country will speak at the next election.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I wonder if they’ll lose the Tory Whip?

It's not a free vote is it?

TheDaddy · 22-03-2023, 14:21

Enjoyed Peter Kyle demolishing John Redwood culminating with there are many people who should be contributing to this debate, he (deadwood) isn't one of them

Sephiroth · 22-03-2023, 14:41

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Enjoyed Peter Kyle demolishing John Redwood culminating with there are many people who should be contributing to this debate, he (deadwood) isn't one of them

Missed that. On an aeroplane to Singapore.

**Damien** · 22-03-2023, 16:18

It passed but with the rebel Tories and abstentions, it looks like it did depend on Labour votes, a bit awkward for Suank but shows he has to deal with a basket case of a party.

Sephiroth · 23-03-2023, 01:44

My position with this is that we have crept forward a few millimetres and a 10cm scale. Better than before but still not there. I would have voted for but would have spoken with some resentment that we’d got into this position in the first place. I would not have agreed to sign the Protocol and if that meant walking away from a deal (and withdrawal payments), so be it.

1andrew1 · 23-03-2023, 09:02

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My position with this is that we have crept forward a few millimetres and a 10cm scale. Better than before but still not there. I would have voted for but would have spoken with some resentment that we’d got into this position in the first place. I would not have agreed to sign the Protocol and if that meant walking away from a deal (and withdrawal payments), so be it.

Good man. A shame your local MP did not solicit your advices.

Sephiroth · 23-03-2023, 10:06

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Good man. A shame your local MP did not solicit your advices.

He and I are totally on the same page. But I’m not a senior Tory MP whose activities in the House are coloured by many considerations.

1andrew1 · 23-03-2023, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

He and I are totally on the same page. But I’m not a senior Tory MP whose activities in the House are coloured by many considerations.

You might be on the same page but he's reading the no book and you're reading the yes book.

What considerations are clouding his judgment?

Sephiroth · 23-03-2023, 10:44

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You might be on the same page but he's reading the no book and you're reading the yes book.

What considerations are clouding his judgment?

But my heart is in the NO camp.

1andrew1 · 23-03-2023, 11:31

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But my heart is in the NO camp.

The thing is your brain's in the yes camp.

Sephiroth · 23-03-2023, 22:48

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The thing is your brain's in the yes camp.

That’s because they’ve introduced a Green Lane. The customs documentation is the same but that should be easy for M&S etc. to automate.

The Stormont Brake is the fun bit. Legal wars to be expected over its applicability, plus Stormont won’t convene so only the UK can exercise that rifgjt on NI’s behalf.

NI is truly in the EU’s clutches and that is Boris’ fault for which he deserves having his nainonicles removed.