17-07-2023, 11:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
The first quote, obviously, was a joke, based on a post of yours. The second does not use the word ‘immediate’. It says ‘based on existing activity and intentions’.
I say again, these were news items. I simply reported them. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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You did tell us that you voted for Corbyn last time, Den. If that doesn’t make you left wing, what would?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2375947.html
The CPTPP trade deal has been signed. Immediate benefits estimated at £1.8bn per year once operational, with huge opportunities for us to build on that.
Keri Benedoch confirmed on Laura K’s show this morning that the Indian trade deal was making good progress.
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17-07-2023, 12:04
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
The first quote, obviously, was a joke, based on a post of yours. The second does not use the word ‘immediate’. It says ‘based on existing activity and intentions’.
I say again, these were news items. I simply reported them. Don’t shoot the messenger.
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You did tell us that you voted for Corbyn last time, Den. If that doesn’t make you left wing, what would?
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Who l voted for is irrelevant as l am a moderate slightly to the left voter which does not make me a leftie as you and others label us as.
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What’s entertaining is that you throws around “lefties” as an insult. How much catastrophic right wing economic policy do you have to witness to realise it has failed? How high do energy prices have to go? How much human excrement has to flow into our waterways? How many train operators have to “fail” once they’ve trousered all the subsidies and distributed those to shareholders?
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Don't worry like everything else he blames it on other groups rather then the government of the day.
Its called convenient political amnesia.
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17-07-2023, 12:19
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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My remark, Den, concerned the lefties only.
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Seph, you do yourself no favours with these childlike comments. The term has no specific meaning without context so can only be meant as a wind up.
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17-07-2023, 13:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Seph, you do yourself no favours with these childlike comments. The term has no specific meaning without context so can only be meant as a wind up.
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You’re the one to talk, Ian. You frequently allege against the right wing with no meaningful definition.
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Oh - and there’s very little, if any, doubt as to what a lefty is.
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17-07-2023, 13:34
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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You’re the one to talk, Ian. You frequently allege against the right wing with no meaningful definition.
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Oh - and there’s very little, if any, doubt as to what a lefty is.
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OK, I’ll bite - what is your definition of a "leftie"?
(just to ensure there is little, if any, doubt in peoples’ minds).
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17-07-2023, 14:08
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Re: Britain outside the EU
As everyone knows what a lefty is, I’ll not engage because the ping pong that might then occur would be tedious.
A little clue though: start withe The Grauniad. .
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17-07-2023, 14:16
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Good to see the infantilisation of politics and political discussion is continuing on cableforum as well as on social media, it really is pathetic, oh your a lefty, yeah but your a nazi 
These parties and ideologies aren't football clubs, they don't deserve unwavering support, in fact I'd go as far as saying it's actually bad for democracy for representatives to know they've got your vote in the bag, where's their incentive to work hard or stay honest
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17-07-2023, 14:32
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
As everyone knows what a lefty is, I’ll not engage because the ping pong that might then occur would be tedious.
A little clue though: start withe The Grauniad. .
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I see your reply is in line with your other reply, when asked for a definition…
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Dunno. We'll know when/if it happens.
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You throw out an undefined emotive term, then when politely asked to clarify, back off or obfuscate- are you sure you’re not a politician? 
I read the Times, the Washington Post, & the Economist - none of which are regarded as "leftie"…
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17-07-2023, 14:37
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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I read the Times, the Washington Post, & the Economist - none of which are regarded as "leftie"…
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I know an Irish republican who listens to BBC Radio NI to find out what the enemy are saying
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17-07-2023, 14:38
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I see your reply is in line with your other reply, when asked for a definition…
You throw out an undefined emotive term, then when politely asked to clarify, back off or obfuscate- are you sure you’re not a politician?
I read the Times, the Washington Post, & the Economist - none of which are regarded as "leftie"… |
Well if it means not sharing the crazy views of the MP for Wokingham then where do I sign?
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17-07-2023, 14:53
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
OK, I’ll bite - what is your definition of a "leftie"?
(just to ensure there is little, if any, doubt in peoples’ minds).
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I could give you one, but it would probably be followed by a suspension from the forum.
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17-07-2023, 15:43
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
You’re the one to talk, Ian. You frequently allege against the right wing with no meaningful definition.
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Oh - and there’s very little, if any, doubt as to what a lefty is.
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I would disagree here. I would refer to the current Government as generally right wing based on the current & future policies. The term "right wing" is easily looked up as:
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Right-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that view certain social orders and hierarchies as inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically supporting this position based on natural law, economics, authority, property or tradition. Hierarchy and inequality may be seen as natural results of traditional social differences or competition in market economies
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The term "leftie" is just self-referential e.g.
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a person who is on the political left
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You would have to give some context to label a person, or more accurately, their view or views as left wing. Some people advocate left of centre views in some areas and centrist or even right of centre ones in others. In the real world, people are generally more nuanced in their world views.
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17-07-2023, 16:11
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Re: Britain outside the EU
YouGov did an article on this a couple of years ago, which I found quite interesting
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ts-complicated
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YouGov shows that the left-wing to right-wing political spectrum is actually much more complex than previously thought when it comes to public opinion
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Framing politics in terms of left-wing and right-wing might be simple for politicians, and comforting to activists, but it seems that these terms just aren’t that useful for talking about - or indeed to - the general public.
A new YouGov study reveals that the political wing spectrum is poorly understood and also that huge numbers of people don’t hold consistent left- and right-wing outlooks.
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Of more than 100 political views we put to people, none were identified as being specifically left-wing or right-wing by more than 53% of people. That is to say, even for the very most stereotypically left- and right-wing policies, half of the population do not identify them as such.
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17-07-2023, 16:13
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
I see your reply is in line with your other reply, when asked for a definition…
You throw out an undefined emotive term, then when politely asked to clarify, back off or obfuscate- are you sure you’re not a politician?
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Indeed you were polite. Too polite!
Anyway, the Grauniad is lefty and we all know what that is about.
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17-07-2023, 16:17
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Indeed you were polite. Too polite!
Anyway, the Grauniad is lefty and we all know what that is about.
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Anyway, The Torygraph/Sun/Mail/Express is righty and we all know what that is about.
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