Climate Change

Well it didnt take long for them to realise how unrealistic the dates were.

The date for cars is apparently set to roll back 5 years now - to 2035, the same with Gas boilers I believe.

[1andrew1]

Business wants certainty to invest. Flip-flopping on commitments however well-intended could have side effects on investment and jobs.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Business wants certainty to invest. Flip-flopping on commitments however well-intended could have side effects on investment and jobs.

Ford along with others is leading a furious business backlash against Rishi Sunak’s plans to water down some of Britain’s key climate pledges.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2414879.html

Well Ford geared up their production and investment for it, they're obviously going to be upset they were lied too.

[denphone]

The only reason the government is backtracking on Net Zero is to gain electorally right up to next years General Election.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

Well it didnt take long for them to realise how unrealistic the dates were.

The date for cars is apparently set to roll back 5 years now - to 2035, the same with Gas boilers I believe.

Vote winner, and in 2030, they move it back again.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Ford along with others is leading a furious business backlash against Rishi Sunak’s plans to water down some of Britain’s key climate pledges.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2414879.html

Well Ford can concentrate on manufacturing its electric cars cheaper, and making their range greater, whilst the government increases charge points.

The way to make people move to electric is to make them want to, not by force.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

The only reason the government is backtracking on Net Zero is to gain electorally right up to next years General Election.

Not sure it will win them many votes, it equally lose them votes. Many tories are outraged by it. https://news.sky.com/story/tory-back...edges-12965229

Putting a few votes before the future of the planet is desperate and irresponsible stuff from a dying Government.

Sunak statement





DEFRA advice sent to businesses after the speech.



Also, I can’t find any evidence that "compulsory car-sharing" was going to become law…

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Not sure it will win them many votes, it equally lose them votes. Many tories are outraged by it. https://news.sky.com/story/tory-back...edges-12965229

Putting a few votes before the future of the planet is desperate and irresponsible stuff from a dying Government.

Given their desperate party polling for a considerable period now and that now includes Sunaks personal ratings it is the last throw of the dice as CHQ think this is a wedge issue that might play well with their base but as with so much of their recent initiatives its likely to go down like a lead balloon with many voters apart from their base.

[jonbxx]

I am looking forward to having less bins and cheaper meat due to no meat tax…

This is a pure knee jerk reaction to the election result in Uxbridge where ULEZ was a big issue. Suddenly there’s a feeling that dropping green policies is a vote winner. This may well be the case for older, more traditionally conservative voters but not so much for younger voters.

[peanut]

He had no choice other than to put it back. Until they start building the nuclear power stations which won't happen because we can't afford them. Then they need to upgrade the national grid to cope with the power needed which also won't happen. All this will take decades if they start now which isn't going to happen also. All these policies they offer will just not happen. What they offer is all just for the votes.

Still, won't stop the idiots blocking the roads wanting change and there has to be change but whatever they do will just be political wanting to be 'world leaders' at a cost we can't afford. But it'll all be meaningless regardless.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I am looking forward to having less bins and cheaper meat due to no meat tax…

This is a pure knee jerk reaction to the election result in Uxbridge where ULEZ was a big issue. Suddenly there’s a feeling that dropping green policies is a vote winner. This may well be the case for older, more traditionally conservative voters but not so much for younger voters.

Where did the meat tax idea come from?
Rishi Sunak was questioned on Today this morning about why he said he had ruled out a so-called "meat tax".

Asked by Nick Robinson where this proposal had come from, the PM said the government's Climate Change Committee had called for ministers to "implement measures" for "accelerated change in diets".

As pointed out by the i paper's Paul Waugh, the Climate Change Committee in its report calls for "low-cost, low-regret" action to reduce meat consumption - not a proposed meat tax.

The full recommendation from the report, published in June, is: "Take low-cost, low-regret actions to encourage a 20% shift away from all meat by 2030, rising to 35% by 2050, and a 20% shift from dairy products by 2030, demonstrating leadership in the public sector whilst improving health."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share

So, it appears three out of the five measures being cancelled never were going to happen anyway…

Mini heatwave coming this weekend, 20C+ for about 5 days (23C on Sat/Sun).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Not sure it will win them many votes, it equally lose them votes. Many tories are outraged by it. https://news.sky.com/story/tory-back...edges-12965229

Putting a few votes before the future of the planet is desperate and irresponsible stuff from a dying Government.

I don’t think people would have taken kindly to having to pay thousands of pounds for a new boiler before they needed one. I think when the electorate wakes up to what was going to happen under previous proposals, which Starmer is still committed to, they will vote for what’s best for their pockets.

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Originally Posted by denphone

The only reason the government is backtracking on Net Zero is to gain electorally right up to next years General Election.

He’s not backtracking, just setting out an alternative way of getting there.

We are still ahead of everyone else, so what’s your point? Were you happy to be replacing your stuff earlier than you had to in order to meet these targets? If so, you must be rolling in it, and nice to see you’re all right, Jack.

What about the many working class people who can’t afford to do that?

I don’t think people would have taken kindly to having to pay thousands of pounds for a new boiler before they needed one

Were you happy to be replacing your stuff earlier than you had to in order to meet these targets? If so, you must be rolling in it, and nice to see you’re all right, Jack.

What about the many working class people who can’t afford to do that?

Existing working gas boilers were not needing to be replaced.

From 2020.

https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/arti...20gas%20boiler.

How will we heat our homes in the future?

The Government's recently released Heat and Building Strategy Energy has confirmed the phase out date for gas boiler in existing homes is 2035*. All newly installed heating systems from 2035 will to have be low-carbon, for example heat pumps, which effectively bans gas boilers. Just to be clear, this does not mean you will have to remove a working gas boiler in 2035, but you will not be able to replace it with another gas boiler. NB gas boilers in new build homes will be banned from 2025.

From August 2023

https://www.moneysupermarket.com/new...20are%20faulty.

Are gas boilers being phased out in 2025?

In short, no. The government’s proposed legislation only covers new build homes that are constructed after 2025, meaning that such properties will be heated using alternative sources, such as heat pumps.

You will still be able to buy A-rated gas boilers and have them installed in existing homes after 2025.

Will gas boilers be banned from 2025?

No, gas boilers will not be banned from 2025. In the future, it is likely that gas boilers will be phased out in order to facilitate the transition to net zero. But that will only happen when alternatives are much cheaper and infrastructure has been improved to such a degree that we do not need to rely on gas to heat our homes and hot water.

A rated, fuel efficient gas boilers will still be on sale after 2025 and will offer a cost effective option for those looking to replace an ageing heating system.

From the Conservative Government policy.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...-of-clean-heat

No-one will be forced to remove their existing fossil fuel boilers, with this transition of the next 14 years seeing the UK’s households gradually move away from fossil fuel boilers in an affordable, practical and fair way, enabling homeowners to easily make these green choices when the time comes to replace their old boiler.