Climate Change

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

and you seem to be making the case for climate change quite well

The climate is always changing, since the planet existed, no case needed.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Paul

The climate is always changing, since the planet existed, no case needed.

It's the time frame that it's suddenly happening in that is the problem.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Paul

The climate is always changing, since the planet existed, no case needed.

It hasn't happened over a few decades before and exactly coincided with rising CO2 emissions. Try looking at the science.

Originally Posted by Mr K

It hasn't happened over a few decades before and exactly coincided with rising CO2 emissions. Try looking at the science.

There is no science that can directly state that a two day heatwave is the result of global climate change (or warming, if you prefer).
Your constant attempts to plug one as a direct result of the other are why so many people ignore any "science", you do the cause no favours.

Stick to things you can prove, not wild guesswork and rash unsupportable statements.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Mr K

BBC News - Heatwave: Met Office issues first red extreme heat warning
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62177458

I wonder if the penny has dropped yet for climate change deniers?

Climate change has happened throughout history before we became industrialised, so why would anyone deny something that has happened since the Earth was created?

At one point it was called global warming, then man made global warming, or maybe the other way around. But the man-made part seems to have been dropped but it stopped any debate about it.

Warming is happening, what still isn't proven is how much of it is man made and how much difference it makes. We could be on a warm cycle anyway and added +2 degrees to what was happening anyway.

No one can deny the climate is changing but people can question the reasons until solid proof is there that its all man-made.

We should pollute less, move away from fossil fuels/plastics etc and look after our planet better for a myriad of other reasons too though.

Edit: I should have read further down the thread before seeing others have already put forward the same arguments :P

Originally Posted by Paul

There is no science that can directly state that a two day heatwave is the result of global climate change (or warming, if you prefer).
Your constant attempts to plug one as a direct result of the other are why so many people ignore any "science", you do the cause no favours.

Stick to things you can prove, not wild guesswork and rash unsupportable statements.

It's the speed at which it's going up and whilst one heatwave doesn't prove anything the frequency of them does. You mentioned the middle evil warming period but that took place over 200 years and the temperature didn't increase as much as it's done in the last 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record



The yearly average temperature is increasingly rapidly. It's happening within a single human's lifetime as opposed to centuries.

The speed at which it's happening is the main difference between now and other periods in the history of the earth. People like discount how much it increased 1000s of years ago, in prehistoric times, but that took geological ages. Not 100 years.

And as for human involvement what do we think about that sudden spike in the 1800s was caused by? Just happens to be around the time of the industrial revolution....

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Qtx

Climate change has happened throughout history before we became industrialised, so why would anyone deny something that has happened since the Earth was created?

At one point it was called global warming, then man made global warming, or maybe the other way around. But the man-made part seems to have been dropped but it stopped any debate about it.

Warming is happening, what still isn't proven is how much of it is man made and how much difference it makes. We could be on a warm cycle anyway and added +2 degrees to what was happening anyway.

No one can deny the climate is changing but people can question the reasons until solid proof is there that its all man-made.

We should pollute less, move away from fossil fuels/plastics etc and look after our planet better for a myriad of other reasons too though.

Edit: I should have read further down the thread before seeing others have already put forward the same arguments :P

Like others you have ignored the massively quicker rate this climate change is happening, rather than any natural climate change in the past.

What 'solid proof' would you need? The floods or fires coming in through your door ? The evidence this is man made is now widely accepted. If its on top of any natural warming then that makes it worse.

Tbh it probably already is too late, but denying the reality of man made climate change wont help matters or make it go away. It's the denial that has maybe already pushed us past the tipping point, the evidence has been here for decades and we and govts have acted too slowly or pretended it isnt an issue, as its inconvenient or might cost us.

As with everything atm, its the next generation's problem, but they might not be able to do anything by that stage.

[Qtx]

Again...there is no evidence of how much of this warming cycle is man made. Hardly anyone is denying the climate is changing, no matter how times you shout the derogative 'climate change deniers' at people questioning how much difference man has made due to lack of evidence showing this.

[papa smurf]

So it looks like a couple of hot days mon and tue then back to normal

[spiderplant]

Whether it is man-made or not doesn't really matter. If we can do something to slow it, we should.

If an asteroid was heading directly for earth, would you say "it's not man-made so let's do nothing about it"?

[Qtx]

Usual thunderstorm to clear the air after the hot muggy days

Originally Posted by Damien

It's the speed at which it's going up and whilst one heatwave doesn't prove anything the frequency of them does.

Exactly. Relevant part highlighted. That is precisely what I said, several times now.
I find it really quite amusing how the climate brigade keep jumping in assuming I'm saying all kinds of other things (Im not).

I'll repeat it again, just for the benefit of those still foaming at the mouth.

one heatwave doesn't prove anything

So it looks like a couple of hot days mon and tue then back to normal

Its more like 3 days here, Sunday is going to be in the low 30's

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Like others you have ignored the massively quicker rate this climate change is happening, rather than any natural climate change in the past.

What 'solid proof' would you need? The floods or fires coming in through your door ? The evidence this is man made is now widely accepted. If its on top of any natural warming then that makes it worse.

Tbh it probably already is too late, but denying the reality of man made climate change wont help matters or make it go away. It's the denial that has maybe already pushed us past the tipping point, the evidence has been here for decades and we and govts have acted too slowly or pretended it isnt an issue, as its inconvenient or might cost us.

As with everything atm, its the next generation's problem, but they might not be able to do anything by that stage.

Have you considered the fact that we have cleaned up the atmosphere since the 1950s and now more sunshine is getting through?

There are other possible reasons too, although I don't have a problem with cleaning up the atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

So it looks like a couple of hot days mon and tue then back to normal

Yes, the proverbial 3 days summer followed by a thunderstorm. Maybe the extra heat is denying us the third day!

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Originally Posted by Paul

Exactly. Relevant part highlighted. That is precisely what I said, several times now.
I find it really quite amusing how the climate brigade keep jumping in assuming I'm saying all kinds of other things (Im not).

I'll repeat it again, just for the benefit of those still foaming at the mouth.



Its more like 3 days here, Sunday is going to be in the low 30's

I don't disbelieve that climate change is happening, but it has happened before, of course.

It's just as well these climate obssessives weren't around during the mini-ice age.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Have you considered the fact that we have cleaned up the atmosphere since the 1950s and now more sunshine is getting through?

There are other possible reasons too, although I don't have a problem with cleaning up the atmosphere.

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Yes, the proverbial 3 days summer followed by a thunderstorm. Maybe the extra heat is denying us the third day!

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I don't disbelieve that climate change is happening, but it has happened before, of course.

It's just as well these climate obssessives weren't around during the mini-ice age.

Come on Old Boy, even your man Boris accepts it’s happening and that we’re pretty much to blame.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Have you considered the fact that we have cleaned up the atmosphere since the 1950s and now more sunshine is getting through?

That would only put things back to the pre-industrial era. It doesn't explain the rise in temperatures beyond that