The energy crisis

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by nomadking

how many more times. The producers do not set the prices.

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According the the Green and Organic mobs, the plant shouldn't exist as they want to ban fertiliser. How would that work?

as many times as you want cuz I do not accept it

Originally Posted by jfman

By taking control of our energy strategy and linking the price to the cost of extraction as opposed to having it controlled by speculation in essentially a financial market.

Which presumably you can only do if you are the one doing the actual extraction.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss

as many times as you want cuz I do not accept it

Do enlighten us all then, how are they set ?

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Paul

Which presumably you can only do if you are the one doing the actual extraction.

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Do enlighten us all then, how are they set ?

A lot of the time it is governed by OPEC. If they want prices to rise they hold back oil if they want them to drop they let it flow. In the current market with Russia's Gas not coming into Europe and high consumption in India and China the demand for what is available is high. So basically providers can charge what they want because demand is high a supplies are limited. You can tell me different and tell me some political reason for it but lets face those in real power are not the people who argue in parliaments across the world

[jfman]

Can always just find a way to give it a nudge if you think it could go higher.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-env...t-62652133.amp

Originally Posted by jfman

Can always just find a way to give it a nudge if you think it could go higher.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-env...t-62652133.amp

Quite.

This is a war for which Russia has well prepared. While Europe (principally, Germany) was lashing itself to the Russian gas network and telling itself it was civilising the hordes, Putin was playing an extremely long game designed to make it extremely difficult for Western countries to seriously oppose his plans to reassert Moscow's influence in former Soviet territories.

Reliance on Russian gas ought in the first instance to have prevented any serious western response to Russian expansionism, a la Crimea 2014. Given that his attempt to actually conquer a neighbour demanded a strong response then plan B is to blunt that response over the longer term. Warm words from Paris and Berlin in the summer are one thing. It will be another matter once the home fires start going out this winter.

[OLD BOY]

There’s nothing going warm about the coming winter. Buy your hot water bottles now!

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There’s nothing going warm about the coming winter. Buy your hot water bottles now!

last winter I just wrapped up in a sleeping bag and fully intend to do the same this winter

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

last winter I just wrapped up in a sleeping bag and fully intend to do the same this winter

I think I’ll not tell my wife about your ideal remedy! That’s grounds for divorce!!

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

By taking control of our energy strategy and linking the price to the cost of extraction as opposed to having it controlled by speculation in essentially a financial market.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4237

I couldn’t have put it better myself. We just lack the will.

Intelligent bloke you’ve quoted there.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think I’ll not tell my wife about your ideal remedy! That’s grounds for divorce!!

I have survived worse winters than we get now with nothing but a damp tin box to live in. Although I am in poor health now but hey if a winter finishes me off I will become one less burden on the tax payer

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I have survived worse winters than we get now with nothing but a damp tin box to live in. Although I am in poor health now but hey if a winter finishes me off I will become one less burden on the tax payer

And a sad loss to the Cable Forum, I should add! Stay safe.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

I have survived worse winters than we get now with nothing but a damp tin box to live in. Although I am in poor health now but hey if a winter finishes me off I will become one less burden on the tax payer

Well when I was a kid we had to live in a rolled up newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel a day, pay the mill owner to work and when we got home we’d get chopped up into a thousand pieces and my dad would dance on our graves.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well when I was a kid we had to live in a rolled up newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel a day, pay the mill owner to work and when we got home we’d get chopped up into a thousand pieces and my dad would dance on our graves.

Well am very sorry you had to go through that and am glad the kings horses and men manged to put you back together

[richard-john56]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well when I was a kid we had to live in a rolled up newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel a day, pay the mill owner to work and when we got home we’d get chopped up into a thousand pieces and my dad would dance on our graves.

You were lucky

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well when I was a kid we had to live in a rolled up newspaper, eat a handful of hot gravel a day, pay the mill owner to work and when we got home we’d get chopped up into a thousand pieces and my dad would dance on our graves.

Luxury.