Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.

Ever the hopeless optimist, OB.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/62071182

Fact-checking three years of the outgoing prime minister's claims

During his three years he has been fact-checked regularly. Here are some of the claims that we examined when he made them (along with the articles from the time).

[papa smurf]

Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.

[Mr K]

I'm loving this, knives in the back everywhere!

Lord Frost, the former Brexit chief negotiator, has told Talk TV he would have "grave reservations" about Penny Mordaunt becoming Prime Minister.

Citing his time working alongside her during the Brexit negotiations, when Mordaunt served as his junior, Lord Frost said she "wasn't fully accountable or always visible".

"To be honest, I'm quite surprised she is where she is in this race. She was my deputy - notionally more than really - in the Brexit talks last year," he said.

"I'm sorry to say this, she did not master the necessary detail in the negotiations last year. She wouldn't always deliver tough messages to the European Union when that was necessary and I'm afraid she wasn't fully accountable or always visible. Sometimes I didn't even know where she was."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...russ-badenoch/

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.

Usually, but in Bozzas case think its allowed

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.

Starmer was criticised at the time for raising the energy price hikes and suggesting a windfall tax when he could have more easily put the boot in on Partygate. I think he knows what to focus on even if the Conservatives belatedly copy his policies in the absence of their own.

Whoever's elected will inherit a bad hand in terms of the cost of living crisis, strikes and even higher energy bills.

I don't fancy their re-election chances whoever they are.

Best for Labour that there is no general election - it's a poisoned chalice.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, and that is why the Opposition will not get to power. Boris Johnson will be gone, the Conservatives will have moved on and actually started implementing the rest of their mandate, and still Labour will be bleating on about the unfairness of it all with Partygate instead of putting forward policies that people can relate to.

You never learn.

Barely more than a week ago you were confidently asserting exactly the same thing, with the single exception of Boris still being in power. It’s as if the future will always pan out the way you wish it would, regardless of what actual facts might transpire in the meantime.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.

I would usually agree with you but I think Maggy's link will be useful for those struggling to understand why he's been effectively sacked from yet another job.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Boris is leaving there is no dignity in kicking a man when he is on the floor.

It’s a good laugh tho, innit?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s a good laugh tho, innit?

Well I think so, with a proviso that the next cabinet gets down to proper work. There should be a shakeout with most of the old guard removed.

In my book there's a place for Truss in her current role and Gove in a role where his ability to deliver is most effective. I would keep Wallace, of course.
The rest of the cabinet - sod 'em.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well I think so, with a proviso that the next cabinet gets down to proper work. There should be a shakeout with most of the old guard removed.

In my book there's a place for Truss in her current role and Gove in a role where his ability to deliver is most effective. I would keep Wallace, of course.
The rest of the cabinet - sod 'em.

Truss cannot be trusted and has tarnished the UK's global reputation. She's all slogans and no delivery. Like Johnson tells the Party what they want just to keep her job, however contradictory it is.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Well I think so, with a proviso that the next cabinet gets down to proper work. There should be a shakeout with most of the old guard removed.

In my book there's a place for Truss in her current role and Gove in a role where his ability to deliver is most effective. I would keep Wallace, of course.
The rest of the cabinet - sod 'em.

Of course, it’s up to the next Government to move the country on, with their belated recognition that the economy isn’t working I’m very intrigued to hear how any plan on addressing it.

I, for one, cannot wait for the prophesied high skill, high wage economy after the largest fall in living standards since the war. In particular how any wage rises will match the current levels of purchasing power, and not simply be eroded by housing costs, energy costs, childcare costs, etc.

[007stuart]

Originally Posted by Paul

I think Boris started to believe his own hype.
He did the job most elected him for, and a reasonable job in the pandemic.
In the end, he had no choice but to go, I dont see the potential replacements standing out as much better TBH,

If you define over 200000 dead reasonable.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by 007stuart

If you define over 200000 dead reasonable.

Did a reasonable job in supporting his mates' PPE bids and the booze industry during the pandemic.

Originally Posted by 007stuart

If you define over 200000 dead reasonable.

Erroneous figure.

That died with Covid, not of.

Any person dying of something, like being knocked down within 28 days of a confirmed covid result, would be included in such statistics.

True totals of persons dying of just Covid are as follows:

Please see below for death registrations for 2020 and 2021 (provisional) that were due to COVID-19 and were recorded without any pre-existing conditions, England and Wales.

2020: 9432 (0-64: 1557 / 65 and over: 7875)

2021 Q1: 6483 (0-64: 1560/ 65 and over: 4923)

2021 Q2: 346 (0-64: 153/ 65 and over: 193)

2021 Q3: 1142 (0-64: 512/ 65 and over: 630)

Official stats from ONS.

[jfman]

The 28 day count doesn’t apply to the death certificates - whoever writes I it up has to have cause to record it as a factor in their death.