Conservative MP Sir David Amess Murdered

[jfman]

There’s no real reason to have MPs cowering under the stairs because of something extremely unlikely to happen.

Terrorists have always targeted the people and infrastructure as part of attacking state apparatus viewing them as legitimate targets for their cause. This isn’t new because it happened yesterday.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

I think it’s important to not lose a sense of perspective in the immediate aftermath. Fortunately, attacks on MPs are extremely rare.

Police have been called 651 times by MPs in the last few years iirc, more than one each! There's talk of panic buttons but they're not going to save anyone once the assailant is in the room with you. If I were considering their security I'd be looking at holding their surgeries in council offices, they've already got security staff in place and we might have to accept seeing them behind one of the counter screens, it's got to be better than zoom.

Well already the reaction of a lot of MPs have been they don't want to lose that one-to-one connection with their constituents. Many are also making the point if you have police there then that could turn away people whose complaints are about the police or something along those lines.

Not sure what will happen.

It also looks like the suspected killer was referred to Prevent.

[Blackshep]

I don't think we need to limit access just increase the security although how to do that without breaching privacy will be difficult. Maybe a police officer with a scanner but that's no guarantee but would be a visible deterrent to the majority of would be attackers, sadly there is no absolute defence against a committed attacker.

Originally Posted by Damien

Many are also making the point if you have police there then that could turn away people whose complaints are about the police or something along those lines.

Sorry, but I think thats just anti police ballcocks.
The MP could just as easily ignore a complaint (about anything) as well.
How is some PC standing guard going to know what your complaint is about (or even if you are there to complain at all).

Labour and the Liberal Democrats will not be contesting the seat in the by-election.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

Sorry, but I think thats just anti police ballcocks.
The MP could just as easily ignore a complaint (about anything) as well.
How is some PC standing guard going to know what your complaint is about (or even if you are there to complain at all).

If the police officer isn't standing pretty close to the MP How's he going to protect him, no point him being there if he's over the other side of a big room or not even in the room

BREAKING: Detectives from Terrorism division have been granted a warrant of further detention at Westminster Magistrates’ Court which allows them to hold the man on suspicion of the murder of MP Sir David Amess until October 22nd, Scotland Yard said.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

If the police officer isn't standing pretty close to the MP How's he going to protect him, no point him being there if he's over the other side of a big room or not even in the room

Right, and he (or she) is just going to barge into the conversation and tell them to stop ...

Yes, Im sure thats exactly whats going to happen.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

Right, and he (or she) is just going to barge into the conversation and tell them to stop ...

Yes, Im sure thats exactly whats going to happen.

Is that in the same way you were pretty sure some PC wasn't going to know what your complaint was about

[m1k3C]

I'm not anti muslim any more than anti any other religion. However, it does seem that there is less cooperation from the muslim community when it comes to terrorism.
If I were part of the police investigation I would be finding which mosque the killer attended, question those involved with its running and teachings and want to know why authorities were not warned of any members with any suspicion of violent tendencies.
I know it is hard to be tough on muslims but if they wish to avoid that then the solution is in their own hands - cooperate to week out the violent members of their community and those that teach and promote violence.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by m1k3C

I'm not anti muslim any more than anti any other religion. However, it does seem that there is less cooperation from the muslim community when it comes to terrorism.
If I were part of the police investigation I would be finding which mosque the killer attended, question those involved with its running and teachings and want to know why authorities were not warned of any members with any suspicion of violent tendencies.
I know it is hard to be tough on muslims but if they wish to avoid that then the solution is in their own hands - cooperate to week out the violent members of their community and those that teach and promote violence.

Let's be glad you're not part of the investigation then as Isuspect the vast, vast majority of attacks stopped are done so because of other Muslims going to the authorities, I might be wrong but the intelligence comes from somewhere. A more troubling aspect is how almost every attacker is known to the authorities, maybe that needs looking at more I don't know

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Is that in the same way you were pretty sure some PC wasn't going to know what your complaint was about

No PC in the world has special powers to know what anyone is thinking before they speak, nor are they going to intefere.
Of course, you already know this and are just being an argumentative ass for the sake of it. If you have nothing sensible to add, dont bother.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Let's be glad you're not part of the investigation then as Isuspect the vast, vast majority of attacks stopped are done so because of other Muslims going to the authorities, I might be wrong but the intelligence comes from somewhere. A more troubling aspect is how almost every attacker is known to the authorities, maybe that needs looking at more I don't know

Then again not all attacks(including murders) get the same level of media attention.
Link

Three men have been found guilty of murdering a Cambridgeshire teenager in what the judge called a "racist killing".
Ross Parker, 17, of Bozeat Way, Peterborough, was stabbed to death with a foot-long hunting knife early on 21 September 2001.

A racist killing of a random nature, in that they set out to kill the first white person they came across.


You have to ask "where is the killing mentality coming from". Time after time, Islam is at the core of it.

19 years ago - not a lot of social media around then to amplify things, was there?

However, it was reported on by the BBC, the Guardian, & the Mail, so not sure what your point is?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2590539.stm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/dec/20/race.world

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nife-gang.html