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Media Boy UK · 08-08-2014, 11:43

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Because of the double standards den. Debrecen got a fine for the same offence, so why didn't UEFA issue the same one to Warsaw? And not only that, Celtic were already 6-1 down on aggregate so what advantage, if any, did the player give Warsaw?

This is what I don't understand, the fact that punishments are differing between teams. Either a fine or a 3-0 win to the other team, not choose which one to give depending on which team it is that breaks the rule.

I think UEFA was thinking about keeping their UK Broadcasters (Sky and ITV) happy - having some UK teams in this round.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Its does not matter if the scoreline was 36-0 Mark as clearly a rule was broken and thus UEFA had no option but to chuck them out of the competition.

But Celtic only won on the away goals - UEFA says they won 3 - 0 on Wednesday night.

**Hugh** · 08-08-2014, 12:05

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28701951

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Celtic reinstated to Champions League after Legia Warsaw error

Celtic have been reinstated to the Champions League after Legia Warsaw were kicked out of the competition for fielding an ineligible player.

Legia won the third qualifying round tie 6-1 on aggregate but brought on Bartosz Bereszynski in the second leg, while he was supposed to be suspended.

As a result Celtic were handed a 3-0 'walkover' win for the second leg, taking them through on away goals.

LondonRoad · 08-08-2014, 13:33

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Because of the double standards den. Debrecen got a fine for the same offence, so why didn't UEFA issue the same one to Warsaw? And not only that, Celtic were already 6-1 down on aggregate so what advantage, if any, did the player give Warsaw?

This is what I don't understand, the fact that punishments are differing between teams. Either a fine or a 3-0 win to the other team, not choose which one to give depending on which team it is that breaks the rule.

Not the same offence. The punishment for fielding a player who is ineligible through suspension are clearly defined in the relevant UEFA article I already quoted.

This didn't apply to Debrecen. The player in that case was ineligible but not because he was serving a suspension.

MalteseFalcon · 08-08-2014, 13:49

Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

LondonRoad · 08-08-2014, 13:54

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

..but you can't disregard the fact that is not the same offence, nor is it covered by the same UEFA articles.

Therefore your comparison is invalid.

colin25 · 08-08-2014, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Celtic played badly and dont really deserve to be back in.

But Warsaw broke the rules and the punishment is clearly outlined.

There is nothing back door about this decision. Warsaw obviously thought they could get away with breaking the rules.

Agree it is not back door.

I think it was incompetence, more than cheating. Rather silly to forget to register a player to play for a game, so they could show they could be banned

LondonRoad · 08-08-2014, 15:12

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Originally Posted by colin25

Agree it is not back door.

I think it was incompetence, more than cheating. Rather silly to forget to register a player to play for a game, so they could show they could be banned

I would imagine that the Legia Warsaw fans must be gutted. Feel sorry for them.... apart from those that behaved like Racist asses over there and over here.

colin25 · 08-08-2014, 15:46

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad

I would imagine that the Legia Warsaw fans must be gutted. Feel sorry for them.... apart from those that behaved like Racist asses over there and over here.

Yes. I don't have any issues with the fans, or even the club. But if you make a silly mistake, you still need to pay. Doesn't matter if its 4 minutes or playing 4 minutes or 4 games, the rule is known

Stephen · 08-08-2014, 17:02

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984

Regardless of the reason why, Debrecen fielded a player who was ineligible.

They were ineligible for two very different reasons and as such two different rules and punishments apply.

Henkesghost · 08-08-2014, 20:31

Can smell the hurt on here as ever

adzii_nufc · 08-08-2014, 21:02

Taking from one and giving to the other. Crock of crap to be fair. You replay the game on the basis Celtic were slapped. Kick a team out for fielding a suspended player whom had no effect on the outcome but do absolutely nothing when a player single handedly cheats to deny the Irish a place in the euros. Gotta love that balance! Whomever wrote the rules needs a good spank.

Stephen · 08-08-2014, 21:12

Outcome doesn't matter. Warsaw shouldn't have played him at all.

They broke the rules, end of.

Arthurgray50@blu · 08-08-2014, 23:01

It seems to me that Celtic can get away with murder. Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn.

Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance.

No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet.

Even my wife voted on a forum that she felt Celtic had got a back door entry.

Stephen · 09-08-2014, 00:52

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

It seems to me that Celtic can get away with murder. Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn. Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance. No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet. Even my wife voted on a forum that she felt Celtic had got a back door entry.

Sorry Arthur, there was no back door.

Warsaw broke the rules and were punished. Celtic got away with nothing more than what the rules stated.

As for the friendly with Spurs, thats all it was, celtic didn't have to play the main squad.

LondonRoad · 09-08-2014, 08:14

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Spurs played them recently, and hammered them. And apart from the fact that Celtic fileded and entire youth side. They klet down both sets of fans and dont give a damn.

Trouble is some Celtic fans think this decision is bad and have said they dont deserve a second chance.

No one has even come out of Celtic and said anything - l wonder if they knew what was happening. And kept it quiet.

It was a friendly in Helsinki between a Spurs XI and a Celtic XI. It's absurd to expect Celtic, in between 2 champions league qualifiers, to send their strongest team.
We did the same a year ago against Liverpool in Dublin. I don't recall any sour grapes there.. maybe Scousers understand football.

Anyway, the main reason Spurs won was because our admin team were too busy to check the eligibility of all those that played that night. It might turn out it was a 3-0 victory for Celtic.