Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
04-07-2022, 22:59
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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I think it's in the Labour rule book.
It could work if Burnham leaned into the idea that he is the Labour leader based in the North. It would be spun as a sign Labour isn't London-centric. I just think it would be impractical. Can you be the leader of the opposition if you're in Parliament to oppose? How do you do both jobs of LOTO and Mayor of Manchester?
They would have to find him a safe seat pretty sharpish.
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Labour might fancy their chances if there's a by-election in Tamworth.
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04-07-2022, 23:00
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Do you have to be an MP to be the leader of a Party?
Sturgeon isn’t.
It would be weird though, if Burnham was leader but Rayner did PMQs
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If Starmer resigned due to an FPN, I'm sure Rayner would as well.
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04-07-2022, 23:16
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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If Starmer resigned due to an FPN, I'm sure Rayner would as well.
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she has said she would resign too be no way one would get fine without the other one getting one too
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04-07-2022, 23:20
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
I think the important message here is that BJ is a gift that just keeps giving and will continue to keep giving. There are probably so many stories the media have up their sleeve just to pick the right time 
I also think it would be a net positive if Starmer & Rayner both went. They would demonstrate that Labour have "integrity", a card that the Tories ripped up so long ago. Plus it allows a replacement that has some flair for opposition.
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05-07-2022, 00:20
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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I think the important message here is that BJ is a gift that just keeps giving and will continue to keep giving. There are probably so many stories the media have up their sleeve just to pick the right time
I also think it would be a net positive if Starmer & Rayner both went. They would demonstrate that Labour have "integrity", a card that the Tories ripped up so long ago. Plus it allows a replacement that has some flair for opposition. |
So we're we're left with the thought that Labour supporters probably prefer Johnson to remain in power up to the next election and Conservative supporters prefer Starmer to remain as opposition leader. 
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05-07-2022, 08:38
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.
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05-07-2022, 08:55
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883
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No 10 did not tell the truth when it said the PM was unaware of official complaints about Chris Pincher's behaviour, an ex-civil servant in the Foreign Office has said.
Simon McDonald said Boris Johnson had been "briefed in person" about an investigation into Mr Pincher, then a Foreign Office minister.
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Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)
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So you’re not an expert then, your Google search and paste is irrelevant, as that is talking about repeat offenders who have attended court, Boris not under this repeating offender category as he’s paid his fine and not had need to attend court. Not aware of any other repeat offences he’s been found guilty of either.
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So no one on CF can comment about anything unless they are an expert in that subject?
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05-07-2022, 08:57
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.
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There's a definite similarity with Trump. Just keep lying , then lie about the lies.
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05-07-2022, 09:00
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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He just lies as a matter of instinct. Even when it's obvious the truth will come out a few days later he'll lie until then anyway.
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It's just so disappointing because it really lets him down as a person and as a Prime Minister. It's a real blind spot for him.
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05-07-2022, 09:34
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Looks like Johnson was ambushed by a briefing...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883
Mind you, probably no one told him it was a briefing, it probably only lasted 9 minutes, the briefing stayed inside a box all the time he was there, and it was a work-related briefing (just getting the excuses in...)
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So no one on CF can comment about anything unless they are an expert in that subject? |
He's probably just pointing out your ultracrepidarian qualifications.
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05-07-2022, 10:42
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
Sure, Jan…
You do know the letter refers to the current PM?
(just clarifying, as your comment appears to have no relevance to the letter whatsoever - not sure if you’re being acyrologiac, catachrestic, or just employing affectatious sesquipedalianism? ).
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05-07-2022, 10:53
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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What is taking Durham police so long? It's one event. Even the Met police didn't take this long per party.
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Durham Police have reportedly been in discussion with Labour lawyers with a verdict expected within the coming days.
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From yesterday's Metro.
It's only an FPN FFS. Why would labour lawyers be in discussions with plod?
Unless it's because someone deliberately made it something bigger.......
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05-07-2022, 11:00
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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From yesterday's Metro.
It's only an FPN FFS. Why would labour lawyers be in discussions with plod?
Unless it's because someone deliberately made it something bigger.......
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tbf, it’s just the Metro regurgitating the Daily Mail story, which said something slightly different.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-fined.html
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Durham Police have indicated they will publicly announce the outcome of their investigation very soon after telling Labour lawyers.
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Johnson (& other Government Ministers) also involved lawyers when they were under investigation.
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05-07-2022, 11:40
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
It's obviously fair the targets of an investigation are told the outcome before the public.
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05-07-2022, 11:52
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
This statement from The Daily Mail is typical tabloid sensationalism 
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Sir Keir Starmer could have as little as two hours to prepare a resignation speech if he is fined over Beergate, it has been revealed.
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He's had several weeks to prepare it!
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