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26-06-2022, 15:22
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Culture war, class war, war on migrants. Take your pick.
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Sometimes I think the culture war is only there to distract from the class war that should imo be being waged
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Doesnt "Migrants" mean anyone who moves to another country, including those who leave the UK ?
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They're called ex pats, that's real British exceptionalism
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26-06-2022, 16:50
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Sometimes I think the culture war is only there to distract from the class war that should imo be being waged
They're called ex pats, that's real British exceptionalism
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Waging a class war? What should that entail and what end result do you want to see?
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26-06-2022, 18:01
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Waging a class war? What should that entail and what end result do you want to see?
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End of monarchy as we see it now, no more lords, no more old school tie, a kind of meritocracy when skill and talent is more important than who your dad knows, where political favours aren't granted because of donations to parties, that type of thing might be nice and where lobbiests don't have much clout either
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26-06-2022, 18:14
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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End of monarchy as we see it now, no more lords, no more old school tie, a kind of meritocracy when skill and talent is more important than who your dad knows, where political favours aren't granted because of donations to parties, that type of thing might be nice and where lobbiests don't have much clout either
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Would indeed be nice - but will never happen. The most likely of your suggestions, imo, is the eventual demise of the democracy. The rest of your ideals will remain crushed by the sheer evidence of human nature; once people get their slice of power, they usually want to climb the ladder, lobby people for support, reward their support ...
Never will be squeaky clean - ever.
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26-06-2022, 18:51
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Would indeed be nice - but will never happen. The most likely of your suggestions, imo, is the eventual demise of the democracy. The rest of your ideals will remain crushed by the sheer evidence of human nature; once people get their slice of power, they usually want to climb the ladder, lobby people for support, reward their support ...
Never will be squeaky clean - ever.
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Nope won't happen, everytime it looks like people might finally be close to having enough they find a distraction like the inane culture war
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26-06-2022, 19:06
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Originally Posted by Dave42
or few in cabinet resign but that not going to happen
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exactly Corbyn was main reason most people voted for Johnson now Johnson not got that now since thankfully Corbyn out of labour party now
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The promise of Brexit and levelling up were the main factors for the size of his majority, Dave.
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It's not just in his DNA to change unless compelled. He thinks rules are for little people and to be fair, that's how things usually work out for him.
Yes, he'll say he's learnt the lessons but won't change his behaviour.
To be fair, it's served him well so far: he's the PM who partied through lockdown like it was freshers' week and just paid one small fine for the privilege.
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Except he didn’t. He got one puddly fine for a cake ambush. Big deal.
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26-06-2022, 19:10
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Nope won't happen, everytime it looks like people might finally be close to having enough they find a distraction like the inane culture war
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Depends what you mean by "culture war". If it's built on the Etonians etc who make up a Conservative cabinet (i.e. this one), then that is a political culture worth restraining.
If you mean the diversity side of culture, I'm for protecting British cultural values against the relentless push of one certain other culture.
If you mean the emerging woke culture, which also blends with diversity, whereby they are trying to remove British works of culture from the educational syllabus, then I wish those bar stewards the a fate nearly as bad as the cycle pelotons that are infesting the roads this summer.
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26-06-2022, 19:19
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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The promise of Brexit and levelling up were the main factors for the size of his majority, Dave.
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Except he didn’t. He got one puddly fine for a cake ambush. Big deal.
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Comedy gold, I wonder where you get it from?
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27-06-2022, 02:58
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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The promise of Brexit and levelling up were the main factors for the size of his majority, Dave.
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Except he didn’t. He got one puddly fine for a cake ambush. Big deal.
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the anyone but Corbyn was main one OB and brexit is a disaster and leveling up your having a laugh how is that going the gap between rich and poor growing bigger not smaller
and Boris wants to scrap the pay rise cap of the fat cats to make gap even bigger
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27-06-2022, 09:17
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Except he didn’t. He got one puddly fine for a cake ambush. Big deal.
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He literally said, after attending all the parties while the country was locked down, he would do it all again. What don't you get?
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27-06-2022, 09:23
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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He literally said, after attending all the parties while the country was locked down, he would do it all again. What don't you get?
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OB apparently does not understand that Boris believes that the rules don't apply to him. Lord Geidt spotted that.
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27-06-2022, 09:28
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Would indeed be nice - but will never happen. The most likely of your suggestions, imo, is the eventual demise of the democracy. The rest of your ideals will remain crushed by the sheer evidence of human nature; once people get their slice of power, they usually want to climb the ladder, lobby people for support, reward their support ...
Never will be squeaky clean - ever.
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The fact that you endorse the "Greed Is Good" principle to governing the country is disappointing. You also conflate these objectively valid suggestions with the "eventual demise of the democracy": a deliberate overreaction.
None of these would damage democracy, in fact they would do the opposite. Endorsing visible corruption by those in power is the road to the demise of the democracy.
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OB apparently does not understand that Boris believes that the rules don't apply to him. Lord Geidt spotted that.
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I think more than Geidt have spotted this
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On the subject of visible corruption by those in power:
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Major Tory donor put in charge of handing out honours - a post that is meant to be independent and non-partisan. Totally normal and not corrupt at all, in Johnson’s 2022 Britain.
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27-06-2022, 10:55
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Doesnt "Migrants" mean anyone who moves to another country, including those who leave the UK ?
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the anyone but Corbyn was main one OB and brexit is a disaster and leveling up your having a laugh how is that going the gap between rich and poor growing bigger not smaller
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It’s not a disaster. It just hasn’t got started yet. Now we have Covid thwarted, you can bet your life everything will start moving now.
Business will not be able to take advantage of the freedoms they were promised until we’ve sorted out the protocol and scrapped all the bureaucratic EU legislation. That’s all coming over the following months.
Additionally, we have some important trade deals to put in place which will also for the first time include services, our biggest earner.
As for prices and the cost of living er - have you seen there’s a war in Ukraine? The internet is full of it, you know!
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27-06-2022, 13:03
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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It’s not a disaster. It just hasn’t got started yet. Now we have Covid thwarted, you can bet your life everything will start moving now.
Business will not be able to take advantage of the freedoms they were promised until we’ve sorted out the protocol and scrapped all the bureaucratic EU legislation. That’s all coming over the following months.
Additionally, we have some important trade deals to put in place which will also for the first time include services, our biggest earner.
As for prices and the cost of living er - have you seen there’s a war in Ukraine? The internet is full of it, you know!
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keep looking for the unicorn OB it sure is a disaster and this is not the brexit thread
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27-06-2022, 13:46
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Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
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Originally Posted by ianch99
The fact that you endorse the "Greed Is Good" principle to governing the country is disappointing. You also conflate these objectively valid suggestions with the "eventual demise of the democracy": a deliberate overreaction.
None of these would damage democracy, in fact they would do the opposite. Endorsing visible corruption by those in power is the road to the demise of the democracy.
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I think more than Geidt have spotted this
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On the subject of visible corruption by those in power:
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Yeah, I remember corrupt governments. Cash for Honours. Happened under Labour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-for-Honours_scandal
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keep looking for the unicorn OB it sure is a disaster and this is not the brexit thread
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Enough. You have no business telling others what a disaster is when you, was prepared to accept a Marxist, in no 10, with Corbyn.
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