07-09-2022, 14:53
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Re: Pronouns
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Prove there isn’t.
Lol not really, as that’s off-topic but I was asked it in terms of my beliefs and what I’d say. Not as a statement of fact.
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07-09-2022, 17:00
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by Chris
It is not ungrammatical. On the contrary it is correct English grammar and has been since time immemorial. It is not an invention of radical gender campaigners.
I refer you to Oxford, which has traced the earliest known use of “they” as a singular pronoun where sex is unknown to the year 1375.
https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-...singular-they/ |
Yes, I’m aware of that Chris, but does it not depend on the context in which it is used? In the 1375 example, it sounds right, but if you say, for example:
‘Dolores put on her shoes and then they walked away’,
it sounds decidedly odd, as if the shoes were walking away (which I suppose they were, really! 
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07-09-2022, 17:14
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Yes, I’m aware of that Chris, but does it not depend on the context in which it is used? In the 1375 example, it sounds right, but if you say, for example:
‘Dolores put on her shoes and then they walked away’,
it sounds decidedly odd, as if the shoes were walking away (which I suppose they were, really! |
It doesn’t sound odd if you say, for example:
"My neighbour put on their shoes and then they walked away"
or
"My child put on their shoes and then they walked away"
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07-09-2022, 17:30
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Yes, I’m aware of that Chris, but does it not depend on the context in which it is used? In the 1375 example, it sounds right, but if you say, for example:
‘Dolores put on her shoes and then they walked away’,
it sounds decidedly odd, as if the shoes were walking away (which I suppose they were, really! |
The odd bit is referring to Dolores as a "her" and then a "they" in the same sentence.
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07-09-2022, 17:43
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Re: Pronouns
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The odd bit is referring to Dolores as a "her" and then a "they" in the same sentence.
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Who's Dolores, do i know it.
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07-09-2022, 18:01
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Yes, I’m aware of that Chris, but does it not depend on the context in which it is used? In the 1375 example, it sounds right, but if you say, for example:
‘Dolores put on her shoes and then they walked away’,
it sounds decidedly odd, as if the shoes were walking away (which I suppose they were, really! |
Because of her name, you can make a sensible assumption that Delores is a she, which you have done by referring to her as "her".
Therefore by ascertaining she is a she, the correct singular pronoun is "she" not " they", so you are just grammatically incorrect with that example.
A correct use of they as a singular pronoun would be. "there was a person at the door, I didn't see who it was and a few moments later they left"
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07-09-2022, 18:28
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Yes, I’m aware of that Chris, but does it not depend on the context in which it is used? In the 1375 example, it sounds right, but if you say, for example:
‘Dolores put on her shoes and then they walked away’,
it sounds decidedly odd, as if the shoes were walking away (which I suppose they were, really! |
I’m quite sure you weren’t aware, otherwise why would you call something ungrammatical when you knew it isn’t? You got caught out, plain and simple. And, the 1375 example isn’t just a historical curiosity. The third person pronoun (sex unknown) is part of the present definition in the Oxford dictionary.
Your example of Dolores is silly. You know her sex because you call her “she”, so you would not in the same sentence also call her “they”.
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07-09-2022, 18:42
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Who's Dolores, do i know it.
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Get a grip, Papa. 'Do I know them?"
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07-09-2022, 18:45
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Re: Pronouns
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Get a grip, Papa. 'Do I know them?"
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Finally, he gets it!
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08-09-2022, 09:00
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Re: Pronouns
Reading this thread I think the whole country needs an English course on pronouns alone.
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08-09-2022, 09:30
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by Maggy
Reading this thread I think the whole country needs an English course on pronouns alone.
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Thems sure duz
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08-09-2022, 10:46
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Re: Pronouns
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Originally Posted by Maggy
Reading this thread I think the whole country needs an English course on pronouns alone.
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What - woke indoctrination?
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08-09-2022, 14:24
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Re: Pronouns
Yeah - first stir up the woke agenda; second, get the woke stuff into the dictionary; third, pillory the unwoke.
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08-09-2022, 14:29
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Re: Pronouns
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Yeah - first stir up the woke agenda; second, get the woke stuff into the dictionary; third, pillory the unwoke.
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Telegraph/Mail/Express - first stir up the woke "controversy"; second, keep making shit up to get people angry and distract them from the real problems; third, pillory those who disagree with this…
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