Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is appropriate that the moral bankruptcy of the Tory Party is being played out by its parliamentary members in real time. At least they are honest to their values

You really shouldn't paint that broad brush. It's not true.

I can assure you from doing the rounds that the few rotten eggs we're seeing appals Conservative individuals.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are so lacking in a sense of humour! Listen to yourself!

Oh you were trying to be funny, didn't realise, you should speak to GB news, you'd fit right in there Nadine

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You really shouldn't paint that broad brush. It's not true.

I can assure you from doing the rounds that the few rotten eggs we're seeing appals Conservative individuals.

It's more than a few rotten apples but I'd say you're right and it does appal people, more so if you'd actually voted for them

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is appropriate that the moral bankruptcy of the Tory Party is being played out by its parliamentary members in real time. At least they are honest to their values

Whataboutary alert.

Labour are so much more virtuous.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Whataboutary alert.

Labour are so much more virtuous.

When Labour have been power for 12 years and have trashed the place then, and only then, can you make the comparison You really have a very low standard on who can run the country.

Just to be clear, I am no fan of the current Labour Party so I am not sure what your point is here?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You really have a very low standard on who can run the country.

Not me, but you hit the bullseye.

Those that currently run the country and those that want to, are of a very low standard.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

when labour have been power for 12 years and have trashed the place then, and only then, can you make the comparison you really have a very low standard on who can run the country.

Just to be clear, i am no fan of the current labour party so i am not sure what your point is here?

1997 - 2010?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

1997 - 2010?

By that comparison Labour win.

We're in a lot worse state with a public debt of £2.45 trillion, it was £1 trillion in 2010 ( and thats after the pointless decade of austerity). . Hyper inflation, a law breaking PM, his MPs regularly in the courts, NHS and public services falling apart, and a cost of living crisis.

Let me guess, it's all somebody else's fault.....

Originally Posted by Mr K

By that comparison Labour win.

We're in a lot worse state with a public debt of £2.45 trillion, it was £1 trillion in 2010 ( and thats after the pointless decade of austerity). . Hyper inflation, a law breaking PM, his MPs regularly in the courts, NHS and public services falling apart, and a cost of living crisis.

Let me guess, it's all somebody else's fault.....

You’re nothing but a cesspit of your own misery Mr K, you’re also selective with relevant bits of information….

There have been 7 Labour MPs handed jail sentences in just 10 years. So enough of the squeaky clean image you are trying to portray Labour as.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-sleaze-vn/amp

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

By that comparison Labour win.

We're in a lot worse state with a public debt of £2.45 trillion, it was £1 trillion in 2010 ( and thats after the pointless decade of austerity). . Hyper inflation, a law breaking PM, his MPs regularly in the courts, NHS and public services falling apart, and a cost of living crisis.

Let me guess, it's all somebody else's fault.....

The public debt was under control until the pandemic hit. Are you blaming the government for Covid now? Labour would have had far longer lockdowns and that would have cost another fortune on top. That’s assuming there was enough in the kitty to make furlough payments and other financial assistance to people. Austerity was not ‘unnecessary’. We had to sort out the imbalance in the economy before we sunk under the weight of debt Labour left us in 2010.

Inflation at its current level is due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Is that our government’s fault?

The NHS was in a mess when the last Labour government was in power, and it’s been made worse by the unsustainable immigration that came about as the result of free movement while in the EU and Tony Blair’s multi-cultural drive. The aging population hasn’t helped either.

Are you one of these people who blames everything that goes wrong in your house on your wife? When things go wrong, you really can’t keep blaming this on the same person or your favourite figures of hate, just because you find them easy targets.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The public debt was under control until the pandemic hit. Are you blaming the government for Covid now? Labour would have had far longer lockdowns and that would have cost another fortune on top. That’s assuming there was enough in the kitty to make furlough payments and other financial assistance to people. Austerity was not ‘unnecessary’. We had to sort out the imbalance in the economy before we sunk under the weight of debt Labour left us in 2010.

Inflation at its current level is due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Is that our government’s fault?

The NHS was in a mess when the last Labour government was in power, and it’s been made worse by the unsustainable immigration that came about as the result of free movement while in the EU and Tony Blair’s multi-cultural drive. The aging population hasn’t helped either.

Are you one of these people who blames everything that goes wrong in your house on your wife? When things go wrong, you really can’t keep blaming this on the same person or your favourite figures of hate, just because you find them easy targets.

Covid hasn't been happening for 12 years. National debt has increased EVERY year since 2010.
https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/u..._debt_analysis

Compared to other G7 countries we're doing worse.
https://www.ft.com/content/4ac7e454-...f-fb54404d45a0

We've a higher inflation rate than any EU country.
https://www.nationalworld.com/news/u...france-3571914

The Govt had an pandemic exercise a few years ago so we would be prepared. They chose to ignore the recommendations.

The NHS has a staffing crisis and has been underfunded for over a decade. Staff turnover is horrendous.

Are you one of these people who feel the Govt can never be held responsible for anything ? If they aren't responsible for anything whats the point of them ?

Quite frankly it's hard to see how Labour could do any worse. (and I've never voted for them).

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The public debt was under control until the pandemic hit.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Covid hasn't been happening for 12 years. National debt has increased EVERY year since 2010.
https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/u..._debt_analysis

I wonder what happened then.

tbf to OLD BOY, it had been fairly steady as a % of GDP until COVID hit.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...t/december2021

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

tbf to OLD BOY, it had been fairly steady as a % of GDP until COVID hit.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...t/december2021

However his tacit implication that 85% debt to GDP is managable but 100% out of control is plucked from thin air. There was no plan to pay the 85% off, merely to pass it onto future generations.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hugh

tbf to OLD BOY, it had been fairly steady as a % of GDP until COVID hit.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...t/december2021

Still doesn't make great reading does it, for a party that used to pride itself on its economic competence. Wonder what Maggie would have thought?

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This is what the public think:-
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 41% (+2)
CON: 30% (-3)
LDEM: 15% (+3)
GRN: 6% (+1)

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