Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Now, you may personally think that Brexit is not the right course for this country, but it was the democratic decision. You need to swallow that.

The country is swallowing it big time now OB, that's for sure. Project Fear and a law breaking, self centered, incompetent PM are here.
Worst growth and highest inflation in the G7. Why?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

<SNIP>

This is getting silly now. You completely ignore the dreadful situation we have faced with Covid and the Ukraine situation. You can see the problem, so please, just acknowledge it! Clear that blind spot.

The manifesto was delayed for legitimate reasons. Judge Boris when his time is up, and bear in mind the problems he has been up against.

The manifesto is now being relaunched, so be patient.

OB, you really are a piece of work. I offered these public priorities and address your remarks in-line:

Very close to the top, if not at the top are:

1. Restoration of face-to-face doctor's appointments - at least next day;
Nothing to do with Covid now. The doctors just don't want to do it and the Guvmin is doing nothing about it.

2. Proper relief from the cost-of-living crisis - like temporary removal of VAT from fuel prices. The mentioned £37 billion says nothing as to its adequacy (which it won't be).
The Guvmin has a duty in all circumstances to protect its citizens, under this heading to provide substantial cost-of-living relief at the petrol/diesel pump. Ukraine situation is a cause, not an obstacle to relief.

3. Self-sufficiency on power and food (so far as is possible) instead of the stupid "wilding" policy and not joining up power generation with electric cars (never mind the Victorian terraced streets).
Nothing to do with Covid nor Ukraine. Successive governments have let this one slide for decades yet Boris is going all green without a viable plan.

Also as far as I can tell Boris wants to reduce arable land through this re-wilding project. Is he mad? (Yes). With all the millions he's trying to attract to this country, how will we feed them? How is sewage systems going to cope without discharge into rivers? Nothing to do with COVID nor Ukraine.

Originally Posted by Itshim

I would be surprised if the governing party didn't lose mid term , that's the nature of the beast. Question to Labour supporters , if you think bj is so bad a vote loser ,why would you want him to go , guessing you would think he would be replaced with someone better for the country ,hence more likely to win the next general election,. This is not a defence of Him just puzzled by the thinking hole and digging comes to mind as far as BJ is concerned .

I think there are quite a few Labour supporters who don't want him to go for this reason. Labour has to say they want him out because otherwise it looks stupid but I would imagine inside Labour they are thinking they are better off with the devil they know. It's a gamble who would win the Tory Leadership and some candidates would scare them more than others.

Alternatively, they might be thinking if he goes later then a new leader might be able to run into the next election with a cleaner slate and they want the next year of economic turmoil to be inherited by the next leader.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, he’s only received a fine for a cake ambush between meetings. Go figure.

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OMG! BBCQT! I’d love to hear your definition of objective!

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Your point being…?

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Actually, this government was elected on the basis that it was the only government that would actually deliver what they wanted (ie Brexit).

Now, you may personally think that Brexit is not the right course for this country, but it was the democratic decision. You need to swallow that.

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This is getting silly now. You completely ignore the dreadful situation we have faced with Covid and the Ukraine situation. You can see the problem, so please, just acknowledge it! Clear that blind spot.

The manifesto was delayed for legitimate reasons. Judge Boris when his time is up, and bear in mind the problems he has been up against.

The manifesto is now being relaunched, so be patient.

are we only country in world that had to face covid and Ukraine war like OB come off it we second bottom of growth table because we only country in world to impose economic sanctions on ourselves and Russia is only bottom because lots of world put sanction on them

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Dave42

are we only country in world that had to face covid and Ukraine war like OB come off it we second bottom of growth table because we only country in world to impose economic sanctions on ourselves and Russia is only bottom because lots of world put sanction on them

Pretty good summation of the situation.

[1andrew1]

It's going to be a train crash. The ERG have agreed to keep him in power if he dances to their tune. Expect an extreme bill on the Brexit agreement with the EU and more mayhem and disinvestment.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's going to be a train crash. The ERG have agreed to keep him in power if he dances to their tune. Expect an extreme bill on the Brexit agreement with the EU and more mayhem and disinvestment.

Well, we will see on Monday, when the NI Bill gets to Parliament…

I don't care anymore. There's no one I have any faith in anymore to do the right thing apart from Rory Stewart and he's no longer an MP.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

OB, you really are a piece of work. I offered these public priorities and address your remarks in-line:

Again, I commend you for telling it how it really is although I disagree on the detail of some of your points OB's post is something a Central Office ToryBot would be proud of

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Ag''ain, I commend you for telling it how it really is although I disagree on the detail of some of your points OB's post is something a Central Office ToryBot would be proud of

I very much hope to bump into OB at the upcoming Wokingham Conservatives’ AGM. On the other hand, if he’s not a party member one would have to wonder why he takes his current line on Boris.

I agree with OB on a number of topics, including Brexit and much of his views on COVID. But the UK is very badly governed at the moment and OB doesn’t accept that.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Again, I commend you for telling it how it really is although I disagree on the detail of some of your points OB's post is something a Central Office ToryBot would be proud of

TBH if there was ever going to be a robot rebellion it would probably start with someone asking them to give their unqualified support to Boris Johnson.

My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, or on occasion a pro-Brexit party likely to damage the local conservative. These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.

Originally Posted by Chris

TBH if there was ever going to be a robot rebellion it would probably start with someone asking them to give their unqualified support to Boris Johnson.

My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, ...snip.... These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.

I have supported, voted, researched for, been an Officer (local and National), and a candidate for the Conservatives, but the current Leadership are as far removed from "Conservative" as I have ever seen in the last 50 years.

Originally Posted by Chris

My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, or on occasion a pro-Brexit party likely to damage the local conservative. These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.

Mmm. Opportunistic Euro-federalists-R-Us. Pretty sure they’re not going to be top of my list.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I have supported, voted, researched for, been an Officer (local and National), and a candidate for the Conservatives, but the current Leadership are as far removed from "Conservative" as I have ever seen in the last 50 years.

Same can be said for Labour, they stopped being the party of the worker, many years ago.

Unfortunately U.K. politics is very poor, the standard of UK MPs is poor.

We’re not quite as bad as the US yet, where the centre ground has been abandoned and both parties headed to the edges of their spaces.

But we’re on the way.