16-06-2021, 15:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
Then why are there so many health professionals refusing it?
reported earlier on the news 150,000 nhs workers not vaccinated and i think it was 15,000 care home workers
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Can you explain what you mean by “so many”? These numbers are meaningless without context. How many staff are there in the NHS/care homes? What percentage do these figures represent?
I’m very sceptical that vaccine refusal amongst NHS or care home employees has anything to do with expertise.
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16-06-2021, 16:12
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Re: Coronavirus
well if they are meaningless then there is no point in vaccinating them against their will, is there.
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16-06-2021, 16:15
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Re: Coronavirus
Jabs were mandatory in the RAF. If you could not have one immediately, you were medically downgraded until you did. Downgrades meant no foreign travel, no contact with serving members returning after foreign travel, and often a halt to promotion.
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16-06-2021, 16:57
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Chris
Can you explain what you mean by “so many”? These numbers are meaningless without context. How many staff are there in the NHS/care homes? What percentage do these figures represent?
I’m very sceptical that vaccine refusal amongst NHS or care home employees has anything to do with expertise.
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I found this - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...71v1.full-text which is a study into vaccine takeup in health and social care workers in the UK. It lists a number of potential reasons for poor takeup with certain groups and suggests ways to improve this. (note preprint article, not peer reviwed yet)
Side effects was the most common reason, followed by lack of long term research (we'll call this the 'Papa Smurf effect') The effectiveness and lack of concern about COVID follow.
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16-06-2021, 17:00
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
I found this - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...71v1.full-text which is a study into vaccine takeup in health and social care workers in the UK. It lists a number of potential reasons for poor takeup with certain groups and suggests ways to improve this. (note preprint article, not peer reviwed yet)
Side effects was the most common reason, followed by lack of long term research (we'll call this the 'Papa Smurf effect') The effectiveness and lack of concern about COVID follow.
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These were the aspects that worried me, too, but I went along with it in the end for everyone’s benefit and to get rid of the restrictions.
I’d expect better from NHS staff and employees in care homes who have refused the vaccine. Do they actually care about the people they are looking after at all?
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16-06-2021, 17:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
These were the aspects that worried me, too, but I went along with it in the end for everyone’s benefit and to get rid of the restrictions.
I’d expect better from NHS staff and employees in care homes who have refused the vaccine. Do they actually care about the people they are looking after at all?
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Yes they care about those they are looking after, but they can also care about their own health.
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
I found this - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...71v1.full-text which is a study into vaccine takeup in health and social care workers in the UK. It lists a number of potential reasons for poor takeup with certain groups and suggests ways to improve this. (note preprint article, not peer reviwed yet)
Side effects was the most common reason, followed by lack of long term research (we'll call this the 'Papa Smurf effect') The effectiveness and lack of concern about COVID follow.
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i like that -i'm writing a paper on it and hope to publish in 2050 in time for the lifting of restrictions
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16-06-2021, 17:31
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Re: Coronavirus
It's official from the fat man himself. 'Hancock is totally f........... hopeless.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other
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Boris Johnson described Matt Hancock as “totally ****ing hopeless” during the early stages of the pandemic, concerned by the health secretary’s promises on testing, text messages published by Dominic Cummings have revealed.
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16-06-2021, 18:26
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Taf
Jabs were mandatory in the RAF. If you could not have one immediately, you were medically downgraded until you did. Downgrades meant no foreign travel, no contact with serving members returning after foreign travel, and often a halt to promotion.
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We had a choice?
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16-06-2021, 18:32
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Mr K
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Except that he didn't actually say that Matt Hancock was hopeless. It appears that he meant the position was hopeless. Don't forget that the system was unable to respond to expectations.
Cummings needs to do better if he wants to retain any credibility at all.
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We had a choice?
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No. But isn't that the point?
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16-06-2021, 18:42
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Re: Coronavirus
It was a joke from one ex-RAF to another.
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16-06-2021, 18:43
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Re: Coronavirus
Baker is hurting.
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We have transformed this society for the worse.
We have put in place a culture of habits which will take years to shake off, culture and habits which distance people from one another and diminish their quality of life, the quality of relationships that they have with one another.
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I'm sure the privileged among us are enjoying a better quality of life. Not spending thousands on a commute or hours on trains. More quality time with their children. Saving a fortune using fancy bean to cup coffee machines than wasting time in queues at Pret.
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16-06-2021, 18:45
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
We had a choice?
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You couldn't have some jabs if you were "under the weather" or on certain medications.
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16-06-2021, 20:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
I'm sure the privileged among us are enjoying a better quality of life. Not spending thousands on a commute or hours on trains. More quality time with their children. Saving a fortune using fancy bean to cup coffee machines than wasting time in queues at Pret.
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Not everyone would count that as a better quality of life.
Also, you omitted the extra time with your spouse or partner.
jfman - are you being serious or mischievous?
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16-06-2021, 20:57
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Also, you omitted the extra time with your spouse or partner.
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For some friends I know, they would not count that as a better quality of life.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
jfman - are you being serious or mischievous?
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There's a demographic of white collar workers who are genuinely enjoying a better quality of life for the reasons jfman outlined. And other ones too eg more connected to their communities, easier to watch the Euros, keep an eye on the builders, no need to lug internet purchases home, etc.
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16-06-2021, 21:13
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
Not everyone would count that as a better quality of life.
Also, you omitted the extra time with your spouse or partner.
jfman - are you being serious or mischievous?
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There's plenty of positives about working from home, which considering the economy has been running on the backs of key workers and those working from home for the last 15 months I doubt many wish to return to 2019 ways of working to prop up rents for property developers.
Extra time with a spouse or partner might be a benefit to some. For others absence makes the heart grow fonder.
I've never seen so many extensions or conservatories getting thrown up where I live as people adjust to the new normal.
If anyone is in the market for a bean to cup coffee machine I recommend the Krups EA817040. Had it for a while now and Amazon have just knocked £200 off it.
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