Pronouns

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

If you are discouraging something then you are trying to control it.

Without any enforcement, no you are not

Originally Posted by Paul

‘snowflake drama and overreactions' ?
I think you must be reading a different thread.

Ohhhhh the drama of having your speech “controlled”!!

Originally Posted by Paul

Still, in this one it’s time to get back to the actual topic.

100% agreed.

I think all communities would get along better if they stopped concerning themselves about what's going on in other people's pants and what individuals call themselves.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I think all communities would get along better if they stopped concerning themselves about what's going on in other people's pants and what individuals call themselves.

I agree.


This is personal preference after all, if someone chooses to adapt their male genetic body so they don't visibly have a penis and get hormones to talk in a high voice and get long hair then who else's business is it really?



I suppose the only conflict is still when people need to use sex-segregated facilities as a guy who's transitioned to a woman might make other women feel uncomfortable in a changing room and vice versa but there are various easy answers to this.


As to what people call themselves then that's also a matter of choice but maybe there needs to be a bit of tolerance to account for people who don't know or genuinely forget as most society is based on gender-based pronouns.

Originally Posted by nffc

This is personal preference after all, if someone chooses to adapt their male genetic body so they don't visibly have a penis and get hormones to talk in a high voice and get long hair then who else's business is it really?

Depends on who is paying for it.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Paul

Depends on who is paying for it.

Exactly, none of this nonsense should be paid for by the NHS.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

Depends on who is paying for it.

Gender dysphoria is a mental condition/ illness.

I don’t know that many mental conditions that are supposedly treated by body modification.

Would you treat somebody that has anorexia, by prescribing liposuction?

Body modification should be the very last move not the first, and absolutely not even considered on anyone under 18.

I’m not totally against this procedure being available on the NHS, but it should be as rare as hens teeth.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Exactly, none of this nonsense should be paid for by the NHS.

Well I'd largely be inclined to agree - unless there's actually some serious case of gender dysphoria which has been verified by a doctor, as opposed to that they just want to do it.


One thing which I've never understood is how they seem to be wanting to push up the age of puberty blockers. Ok, so yeah a little kid isn't necessarily (but not always) going to be able to make the decision they want to transition to the other gender, but, surely the whole point of giving someone drugs to stop them going through puberty is to get the body before it changes so there's less to reverse, which has to work better when the process hasn't automatically started, so any limit over like 13 years is presumably not going to be effective anyway. Maybe that's the point, they're too young to make that decision, so no point having them available?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Gender dysphoria is a mental condition/ illness.

I don’t know that many mental conditions that are supposedly treated by body modification.

Would you treat somebody that has anorexia, by prescribing liposuction?

Body modification should be the very last move not the first, and absolutely not even considered on anyone under 18.

I’m not totally against this procedure being available on the NHS, but it should be as rare as hens teeth.

It’s certainly a strange one how it’s become so prevalent over the last 20 or so years, and further bizarre that seemingly interested parties, groups promoting transition and advocacy groups in favour are considered impartial advisers to someone mentally vulnerable and further arbiter of treatments. There’s also - in respect of public funding - a legitimate question of the extent to which some cases could be considered lifestyle choices.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s certainly a strange one how it’s become so prevalent over the last 20 or so years, and further bizarre that seemingly interested parties, groups promoting transition and advocacy groups in favour are considered impartial advisers to someone mentally vulnerable and further arbiter of treatments. There’s also - in respect of public funding - a legitimate question of the extent to which some cases could be considered lifestyle choices.

[papa smurf]

Teacher who refused to use student's gender-neutral pronouns condemns 'insanity' as he is JAILED in Ireland

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...D-Ireland.html

[Russ]

For context - he wasn't jailed for refusing to use pronouns.

He was jailed for defying a court order banning him from returning to the classroom.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

For context - he wasn't jailed for refusing to use pronouns.

He was jailed for defying a court order banning him from returning to the classroom.

True.

but a little extreme that a) he was banned in first place and b) the school took out a court order to keep him away.

[Russ]

Yep I was just pointing out the click-bait context…

I’m 100% in favour of pronouns being requested and used but forcing people to use them? That’s not for me.

[1andrew1]

A tricky one. Once the school has decided its policy, it has to enforce it or the entire's school's discipline is at risk.

[Mad Max]

Schools should stick to teaching kids what they really need to learn instead of all these pronouns shite.