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Old 23-09-2021, 23:01   #31
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

Indeed there’s plenty of suppliers, I just doubt anyone banked on 10% of BPs customers plus any residual stockpiling. If it’s not resolved quickly with increased supply then there will inevitably be a domino effect to other suppliers over time.

The 1999 fuel strikes showed just how precarious the supply chains were.
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Old 23-09-2021, 23:34   #32
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

Lots of people working from home = less cars running to the office & back daily.
100K lorry drivers gone AWOL = far fewer wagons running up & down the motorways.

Result = fuel shortage

One of the warmest summers for a while.
Many offices closed due to home working therefore saving on gas & electric.
Shops closing all over as we move to online shopping, another saving of gas & electric.

Result = gas shortage


. . . strangely no hosepipe ban for years though?
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Lots of people working from home = less cars running to the office & back daily.
100K lorry drivers gone AWOL = far fewer wagons running up & down the motorways.

Result = fuel shortage
There's a factor why there's a shortage of HGV drivers delivering fuel but I'm not allowed to mention it...

Same reason we have a record number in low paid vacancies in the country, no one wants to do these crappy jobs. We assumed someone else would do them, they did, but no more. Little Britain and its ageing population is going to wither away I'm afraid.
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Old 24-09-2021, 08:14   #34
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

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Variable rates are cheaper than fixed rates atm.

It's all working very well, the private energy market, isn't it?
A good time to cut Universal Credit and increase taxes. Happy Xmas from the Tories plebs!
Variable rates are set to go up substantially in October as the Government's price cap is hiked. Anyone landing up on them if their supplier goes to the wall next month gets my sympathy.
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Old 24-09-2021, 08:20   #35
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

https://www.theguardian.com/business...force-closures

Oh dear oh dear. Care homes warning of closures now from high energy prices. Where’s their entrepreneurial spirit? Do the big six energy providers not take that as payment these days?
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Old 24-09-2021, 09:27   #36
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Business leaders and MPs have slammed the Government for allowing Britain to effectively shut down the gas storage needed to cope with an energy crisis.

The UK has minuscule levels of storage compared with other nations in Europe, which means families and businesses are more reliant than ever on imports.

Reports suggest the UK has just seven days' worth of gas storage compared with the 90 days of supply held by France and Germany.

Storage is equivalent to just 2 per cent of annual demand here versus an average of 25 per cent in Europe.

The lack of storage is largely because ministers allowed the owner of British Gas, Centrica, to shut down a huge facility in the North Sea responsible for 70 per cent of UK gas storage in 2017.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...cid=entnewsntp

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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

Sigh. This is beginning to look an awful lot like trolling. I’m going to give you 30 minutes to cite something that actually backs up that assertion or else remove it. There is a line between healthy debate and pot-stirring and you are teetering over it.

To be clear, this is a moderation instruction and is not up for debate.
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

Clickbait from MSN.com, covid has played a bigger part in this.

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This year domestic gas production has fallen further: down 28 per cent so far because of pandemic-induced project delays and maintenance, according to Wood Mackenzie, a consultancy.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...cold-vgq86thdf

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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

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Clickbait from MSN.com, covid has played a bigger part in this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...cold-vgq86thdf
It's a whole range of factors but storage seems to be an important factor and helps to explain why we've been relatively badly impacted. If you've got 90 days of gas in the tank then you're in a stronger position than if you have seven days.
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

90% of media stuff is clickbait . . . and spreads like oil on water.

As for care homes closing . . are these the same private care homes that have been raking money in hand over fist for the last 20 years or so?
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90% of media stuff is clickbait . . . and spreads like oil on water.

As for care homes closing . . are these the same private care homes that have been raking money in hand over fist for the last 20 years or so?
Well yes, that's my point. These cartels get to squeeze huge profits out then bugger off to leave councils and the Government (either way - the taxpayer) to step in.

---------- Post added at 10:27 ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 ----------

Grant Schapps with all the credibility of George Bailey at the Buildings and Loans

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58673567
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Well yes, that's my point. These cartels get to squeeze huge profits out then bugger off to leave councils and the Government (either way - the taxpayer) to step in.
Yep, agree with you. It's not just care homes screaming either is it.

The comfortable ride for many has hit the toll roads, the gravy train now leaving platform 6 is empty, and the stage appears to be full of large bosomed ladies singing arias.

Could be worse, you could be a Derby fan
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

https://ukerc.ac.uk/news/cost-of-gas-by-default/

So a slight adjustment on the storage figures quoted on the msn article 6% U.K. storage vs 20% for France, Germany & Italy

Whilst nobody could have foreseen the aftershocks that the covid 19 pandemic would cause.
The question does need to be asked why is a government not concerned when one storage facility that held 70% of our reserves is shut down.
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Re: Avro and Green Cease Trading

Avro customers are being moved to Octopus which scuppers my plans to get the £50 referral off them gits
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https://ukerc.ac.uk/news/cost-of-gas-by-default/

So a slight adjustment on the storage figures quoted on the msn article 6% U.K. storage vs 20% for France, Germany & Italy

Whilst nobody could have foreseen the aftershocks that the covid 19 pandemic would cause.
The question does need to be asked why is a government not concerned when one storage facility that held 70% of our reserves is shut down.
Presumably because Matt Hancock’s former landlord didn’t see an investment opportunity in it.
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