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Old 27-10-2016, 22:43   #61
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Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'

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I won't eat Halal meat, as l don't like animal cruelty. My wife will. Does that mean l will be taken to court.

Its about time we are allowed to do what we want
Technically your wife shouldn't be sold it, because the exemption in the law is there only for those whose religion requires it. Yet that exemption is routinely flaunted by just about everyone, everywhere.
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Old 27-10-2016, 23:47   #62
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Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'

The law only covers the slaughter of animals, once the carcass has been sold onto the kosher or halal outlet the retailer cannot discriminate on religeous grounds who they serve.

Catch 22.
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Old 28-10-2016, 02:14   #63
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previous post mentioned murder etc but most of the mosaic law ( its not just ten commandments was all about atoning for sins or staying clean all of that, if you believe it was mostly removed by the ransom sacrifice like eating pork )

Jesus showed many times that we should not judge or force others to our view.

we should obey the law when Paul wrote to Romans about obeying the law they were under the rule of Nero a rather nasty ruler as said and done but Paul still said the laws were to be obeyed.

some may want to use Acts 5:27-29 but this is about proclaiming your faith not preventing others going about their lives lawfully.

I will Quote once more i think this is hard to misconstrue

Romans 13:8-10

8 Do not owe people anything, except always owe love to each other, because the person who loves others has obeyed all the law. 9 The law says, “You must not be guilty of adultery. You must not murder anyone. You must not steal. You must not want to take your neighbor’s things.”[a] All these commands and all others are really only one rule: “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.”[b] 10 Love never hurts a neighbor, so loving is obeying all the law.


well i am off to eat some cake and i really couldn't care less whats written on it as long as it doesn't have any of that horrible icing they use I like proper Icing and marzipan.
The only 'forcing' and 'judging' has been made by the Judge who has got this wrong imho.

I like Bakewell Tart. Not sure she likes me though
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Ahh that Bakewell Tart, I remember her so well...
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Ahh that Bakewell Tart, I remember her so well...
Had an up and downer on the Scenic Railway did you?
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Had an up and downer on the Scenic Railway did you?
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Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'

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Ashers Bakery has twice been found to have discriminated against a gay activist for cancelling his order for a cake bearing the slogan 'Support Gay Marriage'.

But the firm is continuing its fight today in the supreme court in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

David Scoffield QC, for Ashers, told the court: "This is a case of forced or compelled speech, unlike other cases which have come before the court."

He added: "Mr and Mrs McArthur have been penalised by the state in the form of the judgment at the County Court for failing through their family company to create and provide a product bearing an explicit slogan 'Support Gay Marriage' to which they have a genuine objection in conscience."
I assume if they don't get the result they want from the supreme court then they'll be going to the ECJ.
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Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'

"failing through their family company to create and provide a product bearing an explicit slogan 'Support Gay Marriage' to which they have a genuine objection in conscience."

why don't they make one . . . but charge £3500 though because of the stress it may cause

I'm sure someone else would do it for less
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Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'

If they had any sense they would just have said they were too busy.
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If they had any sense they would just have said they were too busy.
Or spelt words wrong, support May marriage
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Re: Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised'

The whole thing is a nonsense, frankly. They are running a business, and the message on the cake would have been perfectly legal.

If they turn away business on a matter of principle like this, they deserve to fail. They are there to provide a service to the public, so they should provide it.

I have no sympathy at all for the owners of this bakery.
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No, they do have a right not to promote something that they fundamentally disagree with. They are not denying custom.

This isn't a situation where the customer has no alternative and while they state they were not trying to entrap the bakers by asking them for this message, the fact they then pursued it through the courts rather than simply going to another baker seems otherwise.

Wonder what the result would be if the bakers were gay and the customer requested a cake opposing gay marriage. Equally legal message and I'd expect the bakers to exercise their right to refuse custom.
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No, they do have a right not to promote something that they fundamentally disagree with. They are not denying custom.

This isn't a situation where the customer has no alternative and while they state they were not trying to entrap the bakers by asking them for this message, the fact they then pursued it through the courts rather than simply going to another baker seems otherwise.

Wonder what the result would be if the bakers were gay and the customer requested a cake opposing gay marriage. Equally legal message and I'd expect the bakers to exercise their right to refuse custom.
Well, the courts say otherwise, tweetiepie, and they were denying custom.
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No, they didn't deny custom, they denied the customer's request which is different. If they refused to make any item because of the customer that would be wrong.

We shouldn't censor speech rights like this (it's different from hate speech but even there the definition can censor almost anything but there does seem to be a bias).
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If it had been me once they said they wouldn't make the cake with that slogan on it I'd have said bye and gone to another baker not as tho they are a rare specialist trade. I think these bakers were targeted by this couple who wanted to make a point and strike another blow for gay rights and we certainly have lots of crusader's these days looking for anything to turn into an issue. Just another example of modern society.
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